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Old 12-18-2014, 01:09 AM   #21
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I think anybody who is interested in crossing an ocean should seriously read Dashew's website. There are videos of crossings andd blogs of people who have done it and to ice the cake, he is giving away his treatise on ocean weather. It's a wonderful read because it has first-person reports of weather experiences, is very well written and will likely keep you up well into the middle of the night reading it

Watch the video and read the blog about the delivery of Sarah Sarah from New Zealand to Annacortes ( I saw her in Pender Harbour recently).
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Old 12-18-2014, 07:29 AM   #22
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As most cruisers only operate in modest weather (few tackle the North Atlantic in mid winter) most never see Bearint Sea conditions.

For a blow , most will retire to a sea bunk , like a Concordia berth , and grab a good book.
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Old 12-18-2014, 09:49 AM   #23
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What is interesting is that the camera, on what I would assume was another vessel was pretty well stabilized.
I have seen this video everywhere, which makes me assume it is actually from a game.

It simply looks shopped.

that said, that long, skinny boat would not be pleasant under most conditions.

11 knots will NOT outrun an Low pressure system, and that's assuming you know exactly where it is going, which you wont.

The lack of bow rise will be shipping a lot of green water over the bow, as in like a submarine.

All those windows, forget about it.
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Old 12-18-2014, 10:33 AM   #24
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I'm retired Navy and of my 22 years, 16 where spent at sea on destroyer escort (fast Frigate), WW2 type 2250 destroyers and on one luxury liner, a Belknap class guided missile cruiser.
Worst duty was on the extension of the dew line out off Nova Scotia in the Winter, maintaining a radar picket station doing five knots in a fifty mile circle. Very easy to do one finger pull ups when the bow drops into a trough.
Saw seas washing over the main deck strong enough to pull the 2 1/2" fire hose out of the bronze threaded ends. Steel bulkhead flexing and rivet heads popping off.
But you only remember the good times like when a USSR Echo 2 nuky sub rammed us and put us in a French Navy shipyard for 4 months.
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Old 12-18-2014, 10:43 AM   #25
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Well, there was that one day heading out Jupiter Inlet.

I was gunna guess Sebastian Inlet.
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Old 12-18-2014, 10:56 AM   #26
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Saw seas washing over the main deck strong enough to pull the 2 1/2" fire hose out of the bronze threaded ends. Steel bulkhead flexing and rivet heads popping off.
But you only remember the good times like when a USSR Echo 2 nuky sub rammed us and put us in a French Navy shipyard for 4 months.
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Holy Crap! I bet you have some serious stories! Any books on that Navy experience you might recommend? Stuff like that put my minor gripes in perspective.
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Old 12-18-2014, 11:10 AM   #27
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There is a real pIX of someone doing that in Moro bay inlet CA. He apparently made it out.
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Old 12-18-2014, 11:51 AM   #28
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I was gunna guess Sebastian Inlet.
Aw, my favorite inlet! I pulled a similar stunt with a 24' Wellcraft.

Really a terrible inlet and it is bad all the way to the ICW but there was a recent dredging project to renourish the beach. Might have deepened the shoaling channels in the river.
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Old 12-18-2014, 11:56 AM   #29
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I actually enjoy being out on the boat in a good swell. Obviously not like in the video above, but after a big storm and the wind has died down. Occasionally you get a 10-15 foot swell without any chop on 20 second intervals, and the water is like a glassy roller coaster ride. I've even been out on my old 17 foot boat on days like this and although you need to keep on your toes, it is a lot of fun. It's a bit like skiing moguls.

Big winds, breaking waves, turbulent inlets, and washing machine water are a different story. I try to avoid that stuff.
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Old 12-18-2014, 11:59 AM   #30
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11 knots will NOT outrun an Low pressure system, and that's assuming you know exactly where it is going, which you wont..
Sure it will, if you know where to go and have several a days notice. As pointed out by XS, Dashew's weather and storm books are a marvel in this regard. Even better, communicating with him will allay your suspicions on the man's knowledge. As a weather guy you would find this communication interesting I'm sure.
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Old 12-18-2014, 12:03 PM   #31
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My experience is that no matter how hard we try to stow everything carefully mostly everything winds up in a big mess on the floor. Chris sits sideways on the salon settee closing drawers w her feet on the other side if she's quick and the drawers are designed not to do that. Yes Sailor of Fortune it's amazing we go out there again.
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Nothing against Dashew, but it strikes me as too much faith in a single person.
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THanks everyone for the comments.

Yes - the Dashew and Artnautica boats both can run at an excess of 11 or 12 knots I think - so outrunning the storm is definitely the first and probably best strategy.

Both these types of boats are also designed for full roll-over capability and recovery - but of course not something anyone would want to test out on purpose.

The Safehaven boats look amazing - it would be interesting to see the longer, thinner boats in the same sort of weather.
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Old 12-18-2014, 12:51 PM   #34
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... to much faith in a single window pane also!

And besides, i'm not sure I was designed with full roll-over capability and recovery.
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THanks everyone for the comments.

Yes - the Dashew and Artnautica boats both can run at an excess of 11 or 12 knots I think - so outrunning the storm is definitely the first and probably best strategy.

Both these types of boats are also designed for full roll-over capability and recovery - but of course not something anyone would want to test out on purpose.

The Safehaven boats look amazing - it would be interesting to see the longer, thinner boats in the same sort of weather.
The average hurricane moves forward at that speed, so "outrunning" the storm may not always be clear cut. Those who favor heaving to do so in part because the storm is over with pretty quickly and you don't have to look far to find people who ran before storms for days, effectively staying in them until they petered out on their own accord.

Personally, I have a hard time visualizing how I would handle the gear to heave Delfin to off a brideled para anchor so will favor towing a drogue from Seabrake to keep my speed down around 3 to 4 knots while maintaining steerage.
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Well, there was that one day heading out Jupiter Inlet.

I remember taking that picture from my dinghy.
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As most cruisers only operate in modest weather (few tackle the North Atlantic in mid winter) most never see Bearint Sea conditions...
We have never been in winds over 49 knots (true) while at sea except for a few gusts. 20' plus seas yes, but not with those winds. Weather forecasting and time of the year are the 2 keys reasons IMHO. We never go with one source, and always have local and/or professional knowledge. From Hobart to Auckland we diverted 250 miles out of way to avoid a system. Tonga to NZ we heaved to for 2 days to let weather system(s) pass below us. We waited 5 weeks in Colombia for a weather window. With the exception of some professionals, military and SAR, who don't have a choice, why get beat up? It's suppose to be fun right?
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Go the other way it is called surfing
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We have never been in winds over 49 knots (true) while at sea except for a few gusts. 20' plus seas yes, but not with those winds. Weather forecasting and time of the year are the 2 keys reasons IMHO. We never go with one source, and always have local and/or professional knowledge. From Hobart to Auckland we diverted 250 miles out of way to avoid a system. Tonga to NZ we heaved to for 2 days to let weather system(s) pass below us. We waited 5 weeks in Colombia for a weather window. With the exception of some professionals, military and SAR, who don't have a choice, why get beat up? It's suppose to be fun right?
Larry, did you lie ahull, or heave to? If the latter does the Krogen stay in position ok or tend to bounce around?
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We have never been in winds over 49 knots (true) while at sea except for a few gusts. 20' plus seas yes, but not with those winds. Weather forecasting and time of the year are the 2 keys reasons IMHO. We never go with one source, and always have local and/or professional knowledge. From Hobart to Auckland we diverted 250 miles out of way to avoid a system. Tonga to NZ we heaved to for 2 days to let weather system(s) pass below us. We waited 5 weeks in Colombia for a weather window. With the exception of some professionals, military and SAR, who don't have a choice, why get beat up? It's suppose to be fun right?
I have no idea where to start, so it's probably best not to burst anyone's delusions.

Larry, on the other hand, has it right and I would only add that I would never leave port based on a forecast. If the wx is not what I expect, I wait till it is.

Also, one little thing to keep in mind, the best wx forecasts are right 90% of the time, BUT the worst are still right 70% of the time.
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