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Old 03-21-2015, 02:34 AM   #81
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Reading this thread has convinced me of one thing. I want a camera equipped drone to fly around now.
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Old 03-21-2015, 04:45 AM   #82
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Has anyone actually looked at the law that now covers drones (known to the FAA as UAS, less than 55 lbs) or the latest proposed regulations? Under current law, drones are treated the same as model RC aircraft. First distinction is that they cannot be flown for a business purpose, recreational purposes only. Thus a photographer cannot legally use a drone for his photography business. They must be flown away from any populated area and cannot be flown over people.

If you want to use a drone for a business purpose, the current law requires quite a lot. first, the aircraft must have an Airworthiness Certificate and the operator must have a Pilot's Certificate. All responsibility for accident avoidance, being away from airspace and the like are the responsibility of the operator. All operations, recreational or business, are line of sight only, the operator must be able to see the drone without any visual aids.

The proposed regs make no changes to the recreational use provisions. For business use, daylight only, line of sight, cannot flyover people except the operators, 500' altitude limitation. The biggest change is that there would now be an operator licensing scheme. Must be over 17, pass an aeronautical knowledge test to get a UAS Operator Certificate. Still total responsibility for accidents avoidance etc lies with the operator.

From my experience so far, there is not much enforcement going on. I know at least four photogs using drones and I have seen them flying over people several times. If and when new regs come into effect, wonder who will be responsible for enforcement? Maybe we will have FAA cops driving around chasing drones?
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Has anyone actually looked at the law that now covers drones (known to the FAA as UAS, less than 55 lbs) or the latest proposed regulations? Under current law, drones are treated the same as model RC aircraft. First distinction is that they cannot be flown for a business purpose, recreational purposes only. Thus a photographer cannot legally use a drone for his photography business. They must be flown away from any populated area and cannot be flown over people.

If you want to use a drone for a business purpose, the current law requires quite a lot. first, the aircraft must have an Airworthiness Certificate and the operator must have a Pilot's Certificate. All responsibility for accident avoidance, being away from airspace and the like are the responsibility of the operator. All operations, recreational or business, are line of sight only, the operator must be able to see the drone without any visual aids.

The proposed regs make no changes to the recreational use provisions. For business use, daylight only, line of sight, cannot flyover people except the operators, 500' altitude limitation. The biggest change is that there would now be an operator licensing scheme. Must be over 17, pass an aeronautical knowledge test to get a UAS Operator Certificate. Still total responsibility for accidents avoidance etc lies with the operator.

From my experience so far, there is not much enforcement going on. I know at least four photogs using drones and I have seen them flying over people several times. If and when new regs come into effect, wonder who will be responsible for enforcement? Maybe we will have FAA cops driving around chasing drones?
Thank you for the real info and not speculation!
I couldnt stand all the droning on and on of "what ifs"...
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Old 03-21-2015, 08:02 AM   #84
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I just got punked...total frowny face

You can't expect much from me past 10pm!

I'll agree to disagree on the engine thing. Regardless I would like to keep them from bouncing off the cockpit window or turbine blades the next time I'm sipping my coffee and reading the paper on takeoff
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I guess living out in the middle of nowhere I was not aware of what a nuisance these things have become.
I was actually thinking of buying one for photography purposes on my boat. I got the idea from when I was working offshore. I was working on a platform when the flame coming out of the flare boom didn't look quite right. It was too dangerous for anyone to actually investigate so they hired this small company with a helicopter to come out and check it out. They brought out a small helicopter with a camera and this was quite sophisticated. The pilot and the cameraman wore these helmets and they could see what the helicopter and the camera could see. The photos were quite detailed.
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I just got punked...total frowny face

You can't expect much from me past 10pm!

I'll agree to disagree on the engine thing. Regardless I would like to keep them from bouncing off the cockpit window or turbine blades the next time I'm sipping my coffee and reading the paper on takeoff
I never pull out the newspaper until the gear handle is up.
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I just got punked...total frowny face

You can't expect much from me past 10pm!

I'll agree to disagree on the engine thing. Regardless I would like to keep them from bouncing off the cockpit window or turbine blades the next time I'm sipping my coffee and reading the paper on takeoff
Wifey B: Sorry, skinny.....some smart..s girl trying to lighten things up a bit. And the comparison to STCW and the change in USCG regulations was in regards to the licensing changes currently taking place. For those not aware, the USCG has enacted the new rules necessary to be in compliance with STCW. This is requiring all captains and engineers to take additional courses, some a few, some many. The maritime schools are expanding to accommodate and can't even get the classes set up fast enough to handle all the demand. Deadline on compliance is 1/1/17. MCA and RYA have some changes as well.

Regardless of how justified the changes may or may not be, definitely a windfall for all the schools.

Sofia Loren still sexy at the age of 78.

I thought the newspaper names sort of summed it up with Floss and Snafu as I do believe it will become Snafu. As to the writer's name, first name a synonym for mine....

No punking intent, just predicting this is going to get complicated and be more of a mess before it's resolved.
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An overhead camera known as "spidercam" is in use at cricket matches in Australia. It is suspended and positioned on overhead wires, not free, but operates much like a drone. At one point it was low enough and close enough to distract a player in the process of taking a catch. Result: fieldsman distracted, ball dropped, no catch, batsman survived. Lots of press coverage, debate, rule rewriting, followed
My understanding is, in Australia the drone is regarded as an aircraft, but there is zero practical prospect of regulating their operation and flightpath. They have been operated, probably by news gatherers, at forest fires sites, when they are water bombing aircraft pilots are reluctant to operate for fear of collision. Cricket is taken seriously here (well above watching paint dry or grass grow). The cricket incident points up the risk and danger of distraction, which could affect a boat operator. I`d be equally concerned by operator error and being hit by one,many operators will not be the sharpest tool in the shed.
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Some people fly without copilots.
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Some people fly without copilots.
Roger that, single-seat community all the way. No self-loading baggage . . . who can think with all that noise in the back seat?
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My son returned from an electronic design symposium in Taiping. He gave me a 'cell phone jammer' about the size of a pack of cigarettes. It works like a charm. BUT it is illegal in the US. But boy is it nice to shut up the loudmouths who insist on talking so loud every one near them knows what they and how important they are doing whatever it is they are doing. I try to keep it holstered, since I don't want to danger anyones pacemaker or anything. It only has about a 30' range so wouldn't work on drones. But the idea is a pretty good way to go for
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That's something's else entirely. This gadget I have it about as big as a pack of cigarettes and has a 30' range. Oh yeah. It has an on/off button also. The battery only lasts about an hour too.

This topic reminds me of the guy in the Midwest who was always late for work because of the traffic lights. He installed a dwell tach timing light on the dashboard of his truck to trigger the lights in succession. After a year the cops noticed the irregular traffic light pattern. The installed a trigger camera when it happened. Lo and behold there was always one certain vehicle in every pic. They tracked the guy down. And there was the timing light.
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Just what we need, more laws and more government employees to enforce them.
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If you have no need to be why is everybody so concerned about privacy?

I was a pioneer in the ultralight movement and this drone thing smacks of The early days of the UL movement. The first FAR on the UL restricted them to 55lbs as well .. interesting. I had a biplane hang glider that weighed 55lbs w no engine or landing gear. The eventual law allowed 253lbs but no UL's have flown onto the Whitehouse lawn or into a jet airplane. Assuming that happens (how could it not) there will probably be a very different outcome FAR wise than there was for UL's.

Unless a drone is shooting at you talk about "shooting them down" is early teenage boy talk.
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Eric, I was thinking that eventual drone regulations will look a lot like part 103 ultralight regulations. I remember when we were hoping the government wouldn't ground ground ultralights and part 103 turned out to be pretty reasonable. This was despite hearing people say that ultralights presented the same problems that we are hearing about drones.

Like ultralights there will be size limits and restrictions where they can't fly without prior permission. Bigger ones will require some sort of license.

Can we build one that weighs less than 253 pounds that will lift me?
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The ultralight community did an admirable job of policing itself. This was helped by the fact that "operator error" or irresponsible behavior among ultralight flyers was self critiquing. Drones are different, an accident with a drone is more likely to injure or maim some innocent bystander than the drone "pilot".
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