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Old 02-17-2015, 09:58 AM   #21
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To me as we age, one key to bunks is to be able to get out at night with little hassle.Contortions , back flips or ladders should not be required.
20 years ago I would have scoffed at that statement. Today, I find it to be absolutely true!
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Old 02-17-2015, 10:10 AM   #22
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Yeah, u right, personnel issues and all. He would want health ins, days off, b calling in sick, then FICA, 401k...then there is the Union issue. I see your point...crystal clear..thanks for reeling me in.
It's not that easy, Mule. I know you wouldn't want to run an open shop. So you will need a steward and enough for a grievance committee. There will also have to be a strike fund. Just a reminder. You don't have to thank me.
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20 years ago I would have scoffed at that statement. Today, I find it to be absolutely true!
This was the V berth cabin in our 36' sedan/europa style trawler. It was much more comfortable and accessible than the double in the side cabin. I also found the V berths in our 34' MS Pilot very comfortable.




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Don - That almost looks like an attitude, list meter in center of first pict. Rather provocative symbol for a stateroom... don't cha think!!
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Don - That almost looks like an attitude, list meter in center of first pict. Rather provocative symbol for a stateroom... don't cha think!!
Yeah Art, but it was necessary.

PS: That would be an inclinometer.
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Old 02-17-2015, 01:49 PM   #26
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[QUOTE=Moonstruck;308805]This was the V berth cabin in our 36' sedan/europa style trawler. It was much more comfortable and accessible than the double in the side cabin. I also found the V berths in our 34' MS Pilot very comfortable.




That's a good looking V-berth in your forward cabin. My problem is the fwd cabin in one of the two boats I'm vacillating between only has a depth of 7' on the center line (From the door entry to the collision bulkhead/chain locker). That's not much room for a decent guest cabin in this version of the boat, which by the way, has a LOA of 50'. My other option would be to go with the boat that has a LOA of 53' but then, as most here will attest to, things start to get more expensive, i.e. insurance, slip fees, haul outs, etc. etc. etc., once you go beyond that magic 50' LOA.
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LOA of 53' but then, as most here will attest to, things start to get more expensive, i.e. insurance, slip fees, haul outs, etc. etc. etc., once you go beyond that magic 50' LOA.

+50 or -50 ,,may change slip cost but almost everything else stays in proportion.

6% more to haul out , so?
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If you had the choice of a boat that has a LOA of 50’ with a FWD guest cabin with either a V-berth or single bunks to starboard (lower bunk being slightly larger than the upper bunk) or, you could have a boat with the same LOA of 50’ but it had a FWD guest cabin with a queen berth (center walk around), which would you choose and why?

For me a vee. For resale think VIP stateroom.


Ahh but it’s not that simple…
This 50’ LOA boat, with either a V-berth or single bunks to starboard in the FWD guest cabin, has a saloon big enough for a 9’ 6” settee and that same 50’ LOA boat with the queen berth in the FWD guest cabin only has a saloon big enough for a 7’ 6” settee (the overall depth of the saloon is roughly 2’ less than the V-berth/bunks boat), now which boat would you choose and why?

Bigger settee/ph/living spaces because that's where you spend the most time besides the cockpit.


And if that wasn’t a hard enough decision, you now have a third option… With this next boat you can now have the best of all worlds, however, it comes with a price…
This third option is for a boat that has a LOA of 53’ with a FWD guest cabin with a queen berth (center walk around) and it has a saloon big enough to accommodate a 9’ 6” settee. Best of both worlds, yes? Ahh, but here’s the price

No change. But there is no substitute for waterline. That extra 3 feet means you'll do 24 hours of distance in 23 hours.


The price… As most of you already know everything cost more with a boat beyond the 50’ LOA mark and, in this case, it’s not so much the initial cost of the boat but it’s for the never ending extra cost of higher slip fees, canal transit fees, etc. etc.
I realize those who plan to stay in marinas often would be more concerned about the LOA beyond that sweet spot of 50’ but for those who plan to use the boat as it is intended (passage making/circumnavigation) me thinks the LOA may not be high on your priority list and you would be more concerned about overall comfort, space, seaworthiness etc.
Now that brings up another question… Would you be so concerned about a guest cabin having a queen berth vs. a V-berth or single bunks if your long term plans didn’t include a lot of family or friends and your planned voyages were for just you and your significant other with an occasional guest aboard?


If your guests are going help you pay for the boat give them a vip berth, if not let them make due with the vee berths. Since it's going to be your home for the next three to five years you should maximize YOUR space and let the guests adapt or leave. Your probably going to average 10 or more days in port for every sea day anyway so it makes the most sense to make the living spaces comfortable and the bunks serviceable. This however is the exact opposite of what seems to be selling best at the moment.



Personally, I fit into the category of a single handler with an occasional guest. Having guest, especially for those long passages, a queen berth would be nice but it is not so much of a priority for me but… I keep reverting back to my original business philosophy of always having a good solid “exit strategy” (in this case I’m thinking desirability, a.k.a. resale value) and thus my query to all of you here on TF.


Note: All of the above mentioned boats are virtually identical, same single diesel engine, each with an aft master cabin with (center walk around) queen berth, guest head forward with separate shower, etc. etc. etc.
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Addendum... These boats (all 3 versions) each have 4 social areas. One is the main saloon down below (similar to a sailboat) with the galley adjacent, then there's the pilothouse which has a very large U-shaped settee (360 degree views) seating 6/7 very comfortably (not including the helm chair) and, on that same level, there's also the aft U-shaped cockpit located just behind the pilothouse (270 degree views) and last, but not least, is the flybridge area with an L-shaped settee along with a helm chair (360 degree views).

All boats are a compromise. You may find that what works best for you may not offer you a great "exit" strategy. That's why there are some great deals out there.


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