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Old 09-09-2016, 06:03 PM   #41
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Is 0.15 "hammered?"

Over the limit, yes, not sure that is hammered?
Unfortunately the stigma of alcohol and accidents has taken over reality.

Back in the fatigue thread I dared not post...but a lot of research has shown fatigue has more to do with many accidents than the alcohol.

In today's society it is not worth fighting the tide...time will ultimately tell.
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Old 09-09-2016, 06:49 PM   #42
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Unfortunately the stigma of alcohol and accidents has taken over reality.

Back in the fatigue thread I dared not post...but a lot of research has shown fatigue has more to do with many accidents than the alcohol.

In today's society it is not worth fighting the tide...time will ultimately tell.

Thst is what I've read as well.

While drinking and driving is dumb, fatigue is proving to be just as bad if not worse in some cases.

And working while fatigued seems to still be something that is still just considered part of the job in may lines of work.
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Old 09-10-2016, 12:36 PM   #44
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And working while fatigued seems to still be something that is still just considered part of the job in may lines of work.
Biggest cause of loss of productivity in business. Huge issue in education as well. Kids today have no set time to go to bed and don't get the sleep they need. So fatigue is a huge issue.

Now that doesn't mean that DUI is any less of any issue. And it's increasing in other ways too as driving under the influence of marijuana is increasing rapidly with it's acceptance into the mainstream and legalization in some states.
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The problem is when one causal factors of accidents out shadows another because of myth, politics, bad science, mirepresentative statistics, etc..etc....

Then enforcement and correction is possibly misguided.
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And working while fatigued seems to still be something that is still just considered part of the job in may lines of work.
Fatigue is tough to judge and tough to self diagnose. And you are correct, there will always be some fatigue to some degree. Just how much is too much??? We turn most of our lights on climbing or descending through 18000 feet. I call those light switches my "fatigue indicators". Because if I am getting tired, I usually forget to turn them off or on.

Luckily, every airline has to have a Fatigue Risk Management program. Ours is very good and I am never afraid to use it. Our company does some pretty "aggressive" scheduling with some trips ripe for fatigue issues. Anyway, I won't go on and on. But just to say it is at the very forefront in the airline safety consciousness.
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Fatigue is tough to judge and tough to self diagnose. And you are correct, there will always be some fatigue to some degree. Just how much is too much??? We turn most of our lights on climbing or descending through 18000 feet. I call those light switches my "fatigue indicators". Because if I am getting tired, I usually forget to turn them off or on.

Luckily, every airline has to have a Fatigue Risk Management program. Ours is very good and I am never afraid to use it. Our company does some pretty "aggressive" scheduling with some trips ripe for fatigue issues. Anyway, I won't go on and on. But just to say it is at the very forefront in the airline safety consciousness.
While true that a fatigued person is the worst judge of their own condition...much like a drunk....

The trick is to understand yourself and lay out irreversible checkpoints prior to entering the domain where you will be fatigued or drinking or whatever else will degrade your abilities. Hopefully your airline has it pretty well pegged....the USCG had a pretty good formal and informal culture of avoiding fatigue related incidents. Not when I started in 1980...but by the time I was in headquarters in the late 1990s, studying fatigue and flying....the info and policy changes were truly profound.

Know thyself...and plan your cruises around that. Some guys are good at staying up all night and cruising till dawn.

I know I fizzle by 2 or 3 Am...I would be a menace without some catnapping. So without the situation or crew...I just don't do it.

Know thyself...both in regular and not so regular abilities...set those limits and things get a lot safer.
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We have a huge percentage of our employees who are young. While we actually have required sessions for all new employees regarding fatigue, partying and anything that impacts being ready for work and able to function at your best, much is aimed toward the younger employees. Most people have never been taught anything about sleep and the need for it. They're under the impression they can get along fine without it, until some of them actually do a test on more sleep and are amazed at the change in how they feel through the day.
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BandB and I are on the same page. And what sort of self respecting grown man drinks Long Island Ice Tea????!!!!
If you ever had a properly concocted Long Island Iced Tea you would understand how a self respecting man can order one. Have a couple of those and you will know the true definition of hammered. It's interesting to note that the Edgartown Yacht Club in Martha's Vineyard has had enough experience with the Tea, that they will no longer serve them.
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Is 0.15 "hammered?"

Over the limit, yes, not sure that is hammered?
I never drink to excess. The question comes, what is excessive?

Out of curiosity I bought a BAC meter. At home a couple of times I tried to see how much alcohol it would take to put me over the legal limit and for how long. I drank as I would normally, only would have more drinks than I would normally. I tested my BAC along the way. The times that I did this test, my BAC never got to .08%. Before I got there I felt enough of the affects of the alcohol that I knew I would never have taken another drink if I was on the boat or out socially.

It was obvious that before I got to .08% I was impaired and should not be trusted to operate a vehicle or make critical decisions quickly. Sure, I place a lot of value on being in control and expect good performance from myself, but I became convinced that a BAC of .05% would be a much better legal standard.

At .15% a person is seriously impaired whatever term you want to give it.
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If you ever had a properly concocted Long Island Iced Tea you would understand how a self respecting man can order one. Have a couple of those and you will know the true definition of hammered. It's interesting to note that the Edgartown Yacht Club in Martha's Vineyard has had enough experience with the Tea, that they will no longer serve them.
That is kinda my point. I know they are strong. But because of that, they are generally a college drink....a drink a college student would order because his sole purpose is getting hammered. There is nothing else that is redeeming about the concoction.
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at .015% a person is seriously impaired whatever term you want to give it.
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Wifey B: You know the inventor of Long Island Iced Tea is a dude named Butts. So knocks you on your butt. You're right, the whole idea behind it is to get as much alcohol in a smooth drink that one can drink quickly as possible. Now, this guy claims to have invented it and that all the other claims are myths. Still interesting he has his own website. Home The shame is how many people drink not to enjoy drinking but simply to get drunk.
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In fighting with condo owners that think they own everything as far as they can see , and towns that get greedy , the concept the vessel is "navigating" while anchored is used.

So when both hooks are down in a snug harbor , can the locals smash aboard with an alcohol measuring machine ?
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In fighting with condo owners that think they own everything as far as they can see , and towns that get greedy , the concept the vessel is "navigating" while anchored is used.

So when both hooks are down in a snug harbor , can the locals smash aboard with an alcohol measuring machine ?

I have never seen an answer to that.

After doing my own self test with a BAC meter, I know that I don't have to worry about it. My alcohol consumption habits never put me over the typical .08% legal limit, at anchor or not.
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The boat is now sitting on it's side on the beach 8 days post grounding.
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It is accepted here that if a boat is anchored or moored,random breath testing is not available to authorities.
It is an unwise skipper who becomes inebriated while anchored. Who knows how and when an emergency may "emerge". Same goes for crew who could be needed.
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