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Old 09-09-2016, 06:42 AM   #21
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Is 0.15 "hammered?"



Over the limit, yes, not sure that is hammered?

Oh maybe so. I've never had my blood alcohol level tested so I have no reference point.

This dude has an interesting history for sure. Crazy that he was still flying for Jet Blue after the car thefts imo.
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Old 09-09-2016, 07:39 AM   #22
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Oh maybe so. I've never had my blood alcohol level tested so I have no reference point.

This dude has an interesting history for sure. Crazy that he was still flying for Jet Blue after the car thefts imo.
Neither have I. I was just going by the old adage that two beers is the limt, anything more than that and you may be over the limit.

So 0.15 could be four beers?

Don't really know.

Moot anyway I guess.
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Right. Forgot about that. Four beers for me is not hammered.

Trying to figure out how you miss an inlet, but I guess if it's at night, party going on onboard, operater is a little tipsy, distractions, etc. I can see it happening.

This report said one engine quit on him so he was running on one coming in to the inlet. He was coming back from the Bahamas according to this report. Left the West End at 4pm and arrived on the sandbar at 2am. 👍

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Old 09-09-2016, 11:22 AM   #24
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Neither have I. I was just going by the old adage that two beers is the limt, anything more than that and you may be over the limit.

So 0.15 could be four beers?

Don't really know.

Moot anyway I guess.
Keep in mind we're talking 0.15 three hours after the accident. Theoretically that translates to at least a .195 at the time of the accident, probably more like .24, so more in line with his previous BUI. For a 180 lb man .15 is 7 drinks, .20 is 9 or 10 drinks. He had definitely had many Long Island Ice Teas and they were probably each the equivalent of two to three drinks.
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Neither have I. I was just going by the old adage that two beers is the limt, anything more than that and you may be over the limit.

So 0.15 could be four beers?

Don't really know.

Moot anyway I guess.
About .02 per beer....and that is if you chug them. So chug four beers and then you'd be around .08. Your body gets ride of a beer per hour as well. So .15 is a damn good buzz....bordering on hammered.

Of course everyone's body works a little differently. Also these absorption rates do differ based on whether your stomach is empty or full.
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BandB and I are on the same page. And what sort of self respecting grown man drinks Long Island Ice Tea????!!!!
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BandB and I are on the same page. And what sort of self respecting grown man drinks Long Island Ice Tea????!!!!

😂😂😂😂

So true.


Baker, on the DUIs. Does a DUI trigger an automatic loss of a pilot's license? I would think commercial airline pilots are held to a very high standard with respect to this.
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So true.


Baker, on the DUIs. Does a DUI trigger an automatic loss of a pilot's license? I would think commercial airline pilots are held to a very high standard with respect to this.
He got a plea deal and it was reduced to reckless driving and even then the adjudication held. He obviously has good lawyers and a lot of experience manipulating the system. I'm betting he'll get the BUI's both as misdemeanors and get some kind of deal there.

And then he'll pick some other luxury boat, maybe a Cigarette next time, and talk someone into letting him take a test ride on it.
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So true.


Baker, on the DUIs. Does a DUI trigger an automatic loss of a pilot's license? I would think commercial airline pilots are held to a very high standard with respect to this.
Technically, no. It is required by federal law that a pilot report any arrest to the FAA. It is also required by our company that we report an arrest to them. In reality, it would lead to a very drawn out ordeal involving the substance abuse department of the company with treatment a possibility to maintain employment. I do not know anyone personally that has been through it. But that is probably close to how it would go. You would go through counseling with the company's experts and then they would recommend a course of action. I seriously doubt they would just send you on your merry way.

As criminal as this guy is, there is a very real chance he has not been reporting his arrests. The failure to report is a felony. But nothing seems beyond this guy! I would hate to fly with him as the rules certainly don't apply to him.
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Technically, no. It is required by federal law that a pilot report any arrest to the FAA. It is also required by our company that we report an arrest to them. In reality, it would lead to a very drawn out ordeal involving the substance abuse department of the company with treatment a possibility to maintain employment. I do not know anyone personally that has been through it. But that is probably close to how it would go. You would go through counseling with the company's experts and then they would recommend a course of action. I seriously doubt they would just send you on your merry way.

As criminal as this guy is, there is a very real chance he has not been reporting his arrests. The failure to report is a felony. But nothing seems beyond this guy! I would hate to fly with him as the rules certainly don't apply to him.
At this point he's retired, but he always showed no regard for law so I'd bet money he never reported his arrests. Interesingly, another article refers to him as a "retired federal air marshal."

Interesting that there was initial presence of CG and a tow company but I haven't seen any follow up saying that anything has been done with the boat. Wish I was on the water so I could just run by and see if it's still there. The boat is clearly now a salvage job. Wonder if he has insurance? Anyone want to bet on that one?

His certificate level was "Airline Transport Pilot, Flight Engineer, and Ground Instructor", according to one source.
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Technically, no. It is required by federal law that a pilot report any arrest to the FAA. It is also required by our company that we report an arrest to them. In reality, it would lead to a very drawn out ordeal involving the substance abuse department of the company with treatment a possibility to maintain employment. I do not know anyone personally that has been through it. But that is probably close to how it would go. You would go through counseling with the company's experts and then they would recommend a course of action. I seriously doubt they would just send you on your merry way.



As criminal as this guy is, there is a very real chance he has not been reporting his arrests. The failure to report is a felony. But nothing seems beyond this guy! I would hate to fly with him as the rules certainly don't apply to him.

Seems kind of crazy IMO to have pilots responsible for reporting reporting their own DUIs. Seems like the court system should report that info to the FAA?

I don't think all pilots with a DUI are going to voluntarily come forward and report. The dishonest ones, like this guy, with things to hide are not going to report.
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Reports are that it was still there last night.
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Keep in mind we're talking 0.15 three hours after the accident. Theoretically that translates to at least a .195 at the time of the accident, probably more like .24, so more in line with his previous BUI. For a 180 lb man .15 is 7 drinks, .20 is 9 or 10 drinks. He had definitely had many Long Island Ice Teas and they were probably each the equivalent of two to three drinks.


Not necessarily, if drinking heavily one's BAC continues to rise for quite a few hours after one stops drinking.
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Seems kind of crazy IMO to have pilots responsible for reporting reporting their own DUIs. Seems like the court system should report that info to the FAA?

I don't think all pilots with a DUI are going to voluntarily come forward and report. The dishonest ones, like this guy, with things to hide are not going to report.
It is under the threat of a felony. That is a pretty serious offense. Also, every time we get our medical certificate we sign a release allowing the FAA access to our driving record on the national driving register. They can ping it anytime they want and there is likely an auto notification in that regard. I do not know for sure. But I'd bet there is.
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The effects of intoxication also vary by fatigue level, time of day, medications and physical condition among other things. The three or four beers I have playing poker with my buddies might hit me like a half quart of tequila at 2 a.m. after a crossing from the Bahamas.

Have we established that this is the same Thomas Henry Baker that swiped all those Ferraris? If so, what the hell's he doing on the street?
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Sounds like our Mr. TH Baker should be involved in politics...
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Is 0.15 "hammered?"

Over the limit, yes, not sure that is hammered?
Unfortunately the stigma of alcohol and accidents has taken over reality.

Back in the fatigue thread I dared not post...but a lot of research has shown fatigue has more to do with many accidents than the alcohol.

In today's society it is not worth fighting the tide...time will ultimately tell.

But in multiple offender situations...I find it pretty hard to debate.
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It is under the threat of a felony. .
He just doesn't seem to be the type to be concerned about such things, although he did apparently return the money to the guy he sold the Ferrari he didn't own to when the guy determined it was stolen.
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