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Old 03-27-2016, 01:29 PM   #41
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"Stretching the boat without lengthening the shafts and moving (and enlarging) the rudder is absolutely going to make the boat handle poorly in many conditions."


Perhaps as a DIY project , but remember the boats are inspected by the USCG.

The plans , usually from a NA , are first accepted and the build is monitored as the work progresses.

A NA will properly size the rudder knowing its fwd location.

The operators say the big difference in handling is the vessels pivot point , closer to amidships than 2/3 from the bow.

Hardly a big deal.,,,after the first time !
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I have been in touch with the Broker, but am having trouble getting info.. Guess I will have to schedule a visit. I'll let you know what I see...
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Old 08-02-2016, 10:03 PM   #43
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I have been in touch with the Broker, but am having trouble getting info.. Guess I will have to schedule a visit. I'll let you know what I see...
Try the captain - I published his contact info above.


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"Details" page on the listing now yields a "404 - Page not found" error...

Beautiful boat.
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separate cabins like that were common on an admiral's barge.
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Old 08-03-2016, 01:19 PM   #46
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Oh man, what a heartbreaker. That sheerline! That long sweeping foredeck! what a beauty.
That boat is a total abortion. It looks like someone took two boats and tried to graft them together. What a mess esthetically.

Mediocre fly bridge, bazaar sitting/dinning area above aft cabin that has bench seats with no backs!

Aft cabin that looks like it set up as some kind of sick ward.

Very suspicious that there are no photos of the important stuff.

Chop off that aft cabin and you'd have a good looking boat. You could put the aft cabin on pontoons and tow it along with you.

Then you'd have a good looking boat.
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Old 08-03-2016, 06:19 PM   #47
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"Stretching the boat without lengthening the shafts and moving (and enlarging) the rudder is absolutely going to make the boat handle poorly in many conditions."


Perhaps as a DIY project , but remember the boats are inspected by the USCG.


A NA will properly size the rudder knowing its fwd location.
No and no.

The USGC is not going to inspect a non-commercial un-inspected vessel.

And most stretched boats I've run or seen use the same rudders as they had before the stretch.
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Old 08-03-2016, 06:28 PM   #48
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Stretching the boat without lengthening the shafts and moving (and enlarging) the rudder is absolutely going to make the boat handle poorly in many conditions. Think about it - you now have an additional 15' of boat hanging out aft that you have to throw around, except you only have the rudder area of a boat 2/3 of that boat's proper size. Give it a short blast forward and the boat's just going to laugh at you. It's going to steer like...a towed boat with a midships tie rather than a hip tie.
I'm guessing you've never run any or many stretched boats.

They don't necessarily handle that bad. While there is a short learning curve and may not like a follow sea (like a lot of boats stretched or not) they are not that big a deal to handle.
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I'm guessing you've never run any or many stretched boats.

They don't necessarily handle that bad. While there is a short learning curve and may not like a follow sea (like a lot of boats stretched or not) they are not that big a deal to handle.
My first cruise was on a "stretched" boat... Royal Caribbean had taken one of their cruise ships, cut it in half, and inserted a huge section of "new boat" into the middle and welded it back up ...like this:

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The cruise left out of Philly, down the river and out to sea heading north.
The entire time the boat was in the river, it rolled. ALOT. No idea if it had anything to do with the stretch, but have been on several cruises since, and never experienced that on any other ship.
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When a broker says "needs TLC" it usually means it's freakin' disaster.
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Below market value. Obviously not or it would be sold.
And this ^^^^^^^

Personally, I like the looks of it, and the separate master cabin. Were I in the market right now, and located in that area, I would probably at least take a look.

Still, I would want to take a very, very close look. It looks great in the pictures. Pictures don't tell the whole story, though. If they did, this one would have sold for more money, more quickly.
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That boat is a total abortion. It looks like someone took two boats and tried to graft them together. What a mess esthetically.

Mediocre fly bridge, bazaar sitting/dinning area above aft cabin that has bench seats with no backs!

Aft cabin that looks like it set up as some kind of sick ward.

Very suspicious that there are no photos of the important stuff.

Chop off that aft cabin and you'd have a good looking boat. You could put the aft cabin on pontoons and tow it along with you.

Then you'd have a good looking boat.
I was thinking the same thing. Possibly a tired old boat, but built by a very reputable company. Still I think I'll drive down for a look see.....
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It seems the forum has decided this is a stretched boat but I dont find any definitive info that this is true.
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It seems the forum has decided this is a stretched boat but I dont find any definitive info that this is true.
In post #37 in this thread was the builder's site documenting the launch as a 38', and now it's 52-53'. How much more definitive are you looking for?

Capt.Bill11 apparently has experience running similar vessels and thinks that the handling will be just fine with under-sized rudders about 2/3 of the way back in the boat. I have not run a boat so configured but have run stretched Hatteras MYs with cockpit extensions with and without running gear modifications, and my opinion is he's nuts.


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In post #37 in this thread was the builder's site documenting the launch as a 38', and now it's 52-53'. How much more definitive are you looking for?

Capt.Bill11 apparently has experience running similar vessels and thinks that the handling will be just fine with under-sized rudders about 2/3 of the way back in the boat. I have not run a boat so configured but have run stretched Hatteras MYs with cockpit extensions with and without running gear modifications, and my opinion is he's nuts.


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She is documented at 50.9'. As documentation length is from inner part of stem to forward face of rudder stock it would seem the rudders were moved when (if) she was stretched. Documentation dates on NOAA and USCG sites suggest she was "stretched" (if she was) before she left the factory. She is listed on the Lyman Morse build list as 51' LOA and originally documented as "Blue Dolphin", now documented as "Conmara".

Post #37 also says she was built for the Commodore of the NYYC but the build list shows the original owner as John R. Magee who is not listed as a past commodore of NYYC ....... the mystery continues.
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She is documented at 50.9'....
Post #37 also says she was built for the Commodore of the NYYC but the build list shows the original owner as John R. Magee who is not listed as a past commodore of NYYC ....... the mystery continues.
Ah, I meant "documented" there more like "published".

And I think you may want to re-read #37, where I reported (per the current captain) that the modification was for the "then commodore" (now PC) but I didn't assert that was for whom it was commissioned.


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Old 08-07-2016, 12:51 PM   #57
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Bill I disagree w you on all counts .. sorry

The boat looks great. Has nice lines .. even nice cabin lines and the window shapes are tasteful. As I recall you don't like boats w/o the FB either. I think you don't like anything that's not common.
And if you're talking stretched boat w/o moving rudders aft .. Just bad.
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Ah, I meant "documented" there more like "published".

And I think you may want to re-read #37, where I reported (per the current captain) that the modification was for the "then commodore" (now PC) but I didn't assert that was for whom it was commissioned.


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Not arguing, just pointing out that the history is not quite defined.
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Well...it's been 5 months since I first spotted this boat, and I still like it. In March I said they seemed anxious at $99K, and now they're asking $85K. And I bet they're still anxious.

OK, it's definitely unique - 53' and only a 13' beam, and I'm still not sure about that un-extended running gear (I'd forgotten that it was a single 3208). The captain said it handled fine, but...

And it's still one of the most beautiful hulls I've seen and the pedigree is top tier. I'm sure it's a bit rough - even rougher than the pictures (which do NOT show the ER) indicate.

I'm no longer anxious to transport it over to my coast, but if I were in the NorthEast I'd certainly want to take a good look at it.
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This thread has prompted us to go take a look at it. We are looking for a 50' foot Trawler to use as live aboards in southern CT. The 53' x 13' is a concern in any beam sea as we have frequently in our travels. The Capt. has already responded with his contact info.
Thanks for all of the incredible information provided so far.
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