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Old 07-24-2016, 04:52 PM   #1
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Would like to know if private trawlers can go back and forth between the US and Cuba

I'm interested to know what type of Boats and ships are legel on International waters and especially sea borders. there is 100.000s of trawlers, fishing boats, yachts etc etc on sea shores so I don't see anything functioning?

Is it legal to just travel as you please. Have seen some trawlers who just go everywhere especially to cuba
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Old 07-24-2016, 05:02 PM   #2
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I'm interested to know what type of Boats and ships are legel on International waters and especially sea borders. there is 100.000s of trawlers, fishing boats, yachts etc etc on sea shores so how can there ever be a functioning sea border?

Is it legal to just travel as you please
Anyone can travel anywhere in international waters. Not sure what you mean by a "functioning sea border. But, if you want to enter a country's territorial waters you must comply with their customs and immigration laws.
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Anyone can travel anywhere in international waters. Not sure what you mean by a "functioning sea border. But, if you want to enter a country's territorial waters you must comply with their customs and immigration laws.
I mean like go on vacation with your girlfriend or wife by just using a trawler stay there for hours doing some shopping and come back to boat. I knew some trawlers who use to do that back in the day
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Old 07-24-2016, 05:48 PM   #4
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I mean like go on vacation with your girlfriend or wife by just using a trawler stay there for hours doing some shopping and come back to boat. I knew some trawlers who use to do that back in the day
If you or anyone else on the boat is a citizen of the USA, you or them are only permitted to travel to Cuba if you fit in one of 12 categories (journalism, scientific, etc., see the State Dept. website). Tourism is not one of the categories.
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Even a Cal 24 (24-foot, minimalistic sloop) or even less can be sufficient. Nevertheless, just because you might get "there" doesn't mean you won't be put into jail and your boat confiscated.
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Old 07-24-2016, 05:55 PM   #6
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Going to Cuba, bring plenty of cash as your US issued credit or debit cards don't work there.

$6-$9 for a good mojito, plan accordingly.
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Going to Cuba, bring plenty of cash as your US issued credit or debit cards don't work there.

$6-$9 for a good mojito, plan accordingly.
In my limited experience, hard drinks in third-world countries cost as much as in the U.S. Nevertheless, beer in the Czech Republic (not third-world) costs less than bottled water. If you're a drinker, Denmark is a place to stay "dry." Wine in western Europe is affordable if one likes "two-buck Chuck" per-bottle wine from California.
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Think Hemingway still holds the record at Floriditas bar. 16 double alcohol daiquiris in one sitting and he was still able to find the door on his own.
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I mean like go on vacation with your girlfriend or wife by just using a trawler stay there for hours doing some shopping and come back to boat. I knew some trawlers who use to do that back in the day
Make international laws irrevelant....take the girlfriend AND the wife to Cuba at the same time, laws will be the least of your worries. Good luck

BTW, just go, radio that you are having mechanical difficulty and pull into the nearest safe harbor. Then experience Cuba. You will be fine.
I served. In combat. For the USA. How dare the fkin US government tell me where I can or cannot go in my seagoing craft. I cannot expect them to bail me out if there is a problem.
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Think Hemingway still holds the record at Floriditas bar. 16 double alcohol daiquiris in one sitting and he was still able to find the door on his own.
Doubtless one reason someone renamed "Across the River and Into the Trees" as "Across the Road and Into the Bar". A great author with a stunning economy of words. RIP.
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Old 07-24-2016, 08:43 PM   #11
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As I understand it, you can go to Cuba as an American, their laws have no problem with it. It's against US law for and American to go there. I know of several that have gone there via their own boat or through a third country by air.
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BTW, your US insurance will not cover you, unless you have "engine trouble" and maybe not then but at least you have SOMETHINGS to hang your hat on.
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As I understand it, you can go to Cuba as an American, their laws have no problem with it. It's against US law for and American to go there. I know of several that have gone there via their own boat or through a third country by air.

Fly to Mexico, you can go anywhere from there.
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I went to Cuba for a few days two years ago on my way to Dominican Republic. No problems there, no problems returning here. Even had my passport stamped. It is really not that big a deal. They have two currencies and I never got used to that, but wasn't there that long. Always drink local. In other words it is cheaper to drink rum in the Caribe. Belize rum drinks were less than U.S. rum drinks and more potent. Local beers on the other hand are either excellent (Presidente in D.R.) or not worth having (Bahamas).
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The thing about "going foreign" with your boat is that when you arrive at a foreign country, you make an inbound clearance (submit lots of paperwork, passports etc). This normally includes providing your outbound clearance from your previous port of call stamped by the country you just left. Cuba may accept a US outbound clearance, but the US may not like seeing a Cuban one on your return. I have heard of US based boats (fast ones)making an intermediate stop (Bahamas, Turks + C ?) before returning to the US.
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Old 07-25-2016, 09:00 AM   #16
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BTW, your US insurance will not cover you, unless you have "engine trouble" and maybe not then but at least you have SOMETHINGS to hang your hat on.
Not exactly anymore. Some policies are now covering Cuba. And riders are becoming common for other policies.
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I went to Cuba for a few days two years ago on my way to Dominican Republic. No problems there, no problems returning here. Even had my passport stamped. It is really not that big a deal. They have two currencies and I never got used to that, but wasn't there that long. Always drink local. In other words it is cheaper to drink rum in the Caribe. Belize rum drinks were less than U.S. rum drinks and more potent. Local beers on the other hand are either excellent (Presidente in D.R.) or not worth having (Bahamas).
Only two now? They used to have three. If you count the fact that most every transaction was done in U.S. dollars.

It used to really piss me off when I went there and knew if I bought a Coke I was considered to have broken U.S. Federal law by doing so. Like that Coke had somehow magically found its way to Cuba and not enriched the coffers of big Coke in Atlanta.
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The U.S. seldom issues an outbound clearance to recreational boats and I have never been asked for one when arriving back into the U.S. . Passport is all that was required for re-entry. They made no mention of the "Cuba" stamp on my passport.
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It will be legal for US tourists soon enough.

In the meantime, you take a chance of being made an example of, either by the Cubans or on your return, if some bruhaha erupts with Cuba while you're there.
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I guess that "being made an example of" could be said about anywhere you go. It is not as though there are not thousands of boaters visiting Cuba every year from many, many countries. I found Cubans to be friendly and most knew some english. Their country was fairly behind the times in many things like internet, phone, etc.. but the took health very seriously. The first person to board was a real doctor and took BP, temp, inquired seriously as to our health and prior conditions, what medications we may be taking and if we required refills etc.. This was not Havannah but rather out in the sticks on the east side at Puerto Vida.
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