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Old 03-03-2013, 02:16 PM   #21
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I must disagree! Yes, fresh water does result in more rot than a boat sitting in saltwater but the subject here is wooden boats. Rain that leaks into a wooden boat's cavities will result in rot, regardless of what kind of water the boat is kept in.
And rain is what kind of water? Where we live it is not salt water.
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Old 03-03-2013, 02:35 PM   #22
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I must disagree! Yes, fresh water does result in more rot than a boat sitting in saltwater but the subject here is wooden boats. Rain that leaks into a wooden boat's cavities will result in rot, regardless of what kind of water the boat is kept in. Wooden boats that reside in saltwater are subject to Teredos (saltwater worms) that can result in catastrophic damage to the vessel. (Just ask Christopher Columbus.)

That is why in the days of wooden ships, they sought anchorages in fresh water to combat (kill) sea worm infestations. Lake Union and Lake Washington were used by wooden ships for this reason.
OK, well here is a fiberglass boat: Hampton Yacht Group - Co-Brokerage Yacht Search - Seattle, Washington, Pacific Northwest, International Yachts For Sale=
66' Cheoy Lee 66' Long Range Trawler, Year: 1987, Current Price: US$ 449,999, cabins: 5, Number of heads: 4, Located in Alameda, CA
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Mr. w. Now THAT"s a nice boat!!!!!! Trans Atlantic range as well (not sure about the Pacific). If I only had another $449, 992.42, I'd buy it. I can see something like that being of interest to Ms. GG.
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Thanks for the welcome, sincerely appreciate it.
Just for the record, I am GG's Mom,
I am not old, and certainly not the chief cook & bottle washer, those days for me are over.
We are looking closely at the MV Connda Venessa.
We have found much history documented on her condition & updates,
maybe if we post the links, Y'all can offer some insight as to her condition
past & present.
http://services.soldboats.com/listing/sb_detail_handler.jsp?robw=¤cy=USD&units=Feet&url= portharbormarine¤cyid=100&boat_id=1255845
and
http://services.soldboats.com/listing/sb_detail_handler.jsp?robw=¤cy=USD&units=Feet&url= portharbormarine¤cyid=100&boat_id=1382552

These are links to her past two for sale listings, and so, give some
info on condition & work done along the way.
The first sale for $345K was 11/04
second on 11/05 for $135K.
Not sure how much of the info is actual, as these sales are 1 yr apart.
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Yes, agreed, Sopressa was on our 'short list' for some time.
Then, we looked toward the long term and made the decision that
whatever we chose, even though we would not be crossing oceans for
quite a few years out, should have that capability, as well we figured
that the years spent practicing & pouring money into a boat prior
to circumnavigation, should be spent on the boat we would ultimately
need to do this. Five or six years of learning, and getting to know a boat,
would be all for naught, if we decided to then go buy another boat
to do the ultimate plan in mind.
Seems like sound reasoning to me.
I should also note that a good friend of the family, has her 100,000 ton
CG license and is actively working at deliveries, and working with other large vessel owners who need instruction as well, also in captaining other people's large yachts.
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Greetings,
Oops, faux pas Ms. m. Apologies...
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Thanks RT, no harm done, in fact when negotiating or doing anything of real weight in this life, it seems a pretty girl is often looked down upon,
and not taken as seriously as a MR. So, being female, there is a whole
factor added to any huge undertaking called 'proving oneself'.

BOT, if anyone would care to weigh in on the seaworthiness condition
of the 'Connda Venessa' it would be so appreciated.
So far, out of anything we have looked at, I would feel the safest
taking this boat on long journeys with my family.
(Also should be noted for the record, that a licensed captain will be
aboard at all times till we get so licensed & experienced.
For anyone tempted to start bashing the
inexperienced female.)
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Greetings,
Heh, heh, heh..."seems a pretty girl is often looked down upon,". The Admiral (Mrs. Firefly) has used THAT to her great advantage in the past and continues to do so. The "victim" never saw it coming and didn't have a chance....



Oh, and I can't open the links...have to sign in or some such...
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Fun stuff Mr. RT, thanks!!!!

Someone I know always says, when pulling up to the bank teller in HER jeans and workboots, and being initially treated like shit, (until they see her account balance), "If I was a white guy in a business suit, they wouldn't treat me this way".

I know it sounds like an excuse, but, trust me I've had years of experience,
you just learn to adjust, and skin thickens a little more every time
someone pisses you off with their misguided attitude.
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Old Ironsides comes to mind when I think of age and life expectancy.
Thanks!
Does that mean your maintenance budget equals that of the US Navy ?
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Are you referring to the 2 links I posted on the CV???


Oh, and I can't open the links...have to sign in or some such...[/QUOTE]
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Welcome aboard Mr. meatsea. Salt water seems to have some sort of antiseptic effect so a boat sitting in salt water would be less prone to the development of rot (usually dry rot)
Sorry, must disagree. There is no such thing as "dry rot" in wood. A quick google search will provide evidence. Or do a search on milspec wood decay.
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Ms. m. Yes, for soldboats. Mr. bp. Well, phrase or call it what you will, it's still rot exacerbated by rainwater or am I off base here?
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And rain is what kind of water? Where we live it is not salt water.
Please reread my post, as in the context that it was presented, it is assumed that rain is, indeed, fresh water.
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I guess what I am trying to figure out, is the amount of worked stated below was done because she was in disrepair & neglected,
or if what was done was just timely for her age, built in 1975, she is only 38.
All wording in purple is remarks from listings.

Also, it seems to me that the sales in 04 & 05 may have been done kept under present ownership. I believe I read somewhere
where 2 crew members ended up buying her after crewing charters for 5 years. Otherwise I cannot figure the substantial drop
in price, unless to avoid tax/fees.
At any rate, any insight would really be appreciated, especially from wood boat owners))
Figured it would be easier just to read this way, than to follow outside links.


In 07/2004, when listed, these remarks:
In 1999 her present owners refitted CONNDA VENNESSA extensively. She had new generators, new caulking in the hull and in the deck, a new galley, a new mechanical bilge pump, new masts reinforced with steel for increased strength, the bridge and engine room were brought up to date. The entire yacht was improved at great cost to keep all her ship-sized systems in peak mechanical and structural condition.
She sold in 11/04 for asking price of US $345,943.


Then in 05/05 listed for US 188, 013, sold 11/05 for US $135,369;
with this remark under construction:
"Note: the upper deck is leaking and will require repair/refurbishment
Mahogany beam ceiling and mahogany teak panelling throughout"



and "In 1999 her present owners refitted CONNDA VENNESSA extensively. She had new generators, new caulking in the hull and in the deck, a new galley, a new mechanical bilge pump, new masts reinforced with steel for increased strength, the bridge and engine room were brought up to date. The entire yacht was improved at great cost to keep all her ship-sized systems in peak mechanical and structural condition.


Now, under present listing:
Construction
Hull Iroko
Iroko decks
Mahogany beam ceiling and mahogany teak panelling throughout
In 2006/07 CONNDA VENNESSA was totally refitted, work to the structure included -
Hull completely stripped to bare wood, rotten planks (approximately 3 sqm) replaced, the hull planks were re-fastened and the whole hull was completely re-caulked. The non-operational stabilizer fins were removed and 2 x 2 new bilge keels were added. The hull was faired and painted. The yacht is single plank wood construction and therefore some movement is expected, hence a semi-commercial paint finish was chosen.
Areas of the superstructure, where rot was found or suspected, were replaced with marine plywood and protected with fibreglass and epoxy where required.
All windows are replaced, all window frames replaced and varnished. All portholes were chrome plated and fitted with new windows.
A completely new deck was been laid both on main and bridge decks, an area of approximately 120 sq metres. The mizzen was removed in order to create an outdoor living area underneath sun awning. The deck above the bridge was converted into a sun bathing area with a 10 sq metre 3-piece cushion.
In the course of normal maintenance the hull was stripped back to bare wood 2010/11 and has been totally repainted.
And thanks in advance for any insight rendered, it is very
much appreciated.

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Meatsea, I'd suggest you get on Google and find a large wooden boat that is undergoing significant repair. Go visit it and see if you are up to that kind of maintenance. Few people that own wooden boats will readily admit the effort required to keep them in good shape. Spending some time with someone actively involved in current work will paint a much more accurate picture than you will get here. I was raised around very similar vessels and am aware of the incredible amount of work involved.
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Are you sure that is a Malahide? If it is, you should check that boat real well. The Malahides are very classic Trawlers and there are very few still in action today. They cost too much for me to think about having one.

I would make sure of the origin of that boat and I would hire a specialized guy to check it for me.

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Galaxy Girl,
A well built , well maintained wooden boat is an absolute pleasure to own and use.
If in good condition and well maintained they are not much more expensive o keep.
The one thing, at least in the tropics they should be slipped every 12 months to check for worm.
It is 17 years since A boat builder and myself built Tidahapah.
It is Australian hardwood so is painted with oil based enamel and gets painted every 5 years plus touch ups along the way (This I do myself)
If different timbers are used such as some of the soft wods or Huon Pine ,mahogney etc they can be splined , sanded and 2 pack epoxy painted and you will get upwards of 10 years.

Fresh water is the bain of all timber boat owners, so leaks etc must be repaired pronto.
Timber decks (real) hose down with salt water every few days or so or sprinkle coarse salt over them and hose down.
Recaulking should not have to be done unless the boat is very old or been poorly maintained.
Refastening if boat has been looked after , possibly after approx 20/30 years.
Mine is 17 years and as good as the day we launched her.
Don't be scared of a good wooden boat but be friends with a well found timber boat man or learn the skills youself.
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Thanks Benn for responding. When you say that you paint the boat yourself every 5 years, what does that mean? Can I buy special paint , grab a brush and paint it or is it more complicated that?
Also, how about your hull? How often does that get done?

The boat that I purchase will primarily be kept in salt water in New England. Pretty cold up here a good part of the year and even in summer our water temps are cold.

What are worms?
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Wood Boats...SCARY??? ..................

For whatever valid or invalid reason that's the prevailing mentality.

For that reason you can find outrageous buys on wood boats.

But one day you will sell it. And with the above attitude I'd hate to be selling a wood boat now.
This is what I'm afraid of also. Seems lots of folks don't like wood or are afraid of it, so if and when I want to sell...
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