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Old 11-28-2015, 09:11 PM   #1
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Windlass Switch Labeling - A Poll

We are still in Elizabeth City, NC but finally seeing the light at the end of the tunnel (train?) of the extensive refit of our Kady Krogen Manatee. The main power cables for the windlass arrived today so I was finally able to see it turn. The chain arrives Wednesday and we hope to disappear shortly after.

This ground tackle installation on a boat that was never intended to have an all chain system, and in fact seems intentionally designed to make it as difficult as possible, has ended up costing nearly as much as I paid for the sailboat I cruised over 20,000 miles in. However, we'll sleep well at night with a 55 pound Mantus on 3/8" chain. The big anchor is actually not so much for ultimate holding power as for the ability to use shorter scope in the many tight paces we plan to visit.



The installation of the foot switches brought up an interesting question. The fellow helping me with the installation put them in the way I thought was backwards. We discussed it and realized that there isn't a clear answer. So, if you are aboard my boat and I ask you to go forward and raise the anchor, you will look down and see these two foot switches:



Which switch do you think you should step on to raise the anchor? ( I can switch the arrows around if I get an overwhelming response opposite to what I think.)
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Old 11-28-2015, 09:29 PM   #2
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I would interpret the symbols as the direction the chain moves. Therefore in retrieving the anchor one would press the right switch. Thats the way my boat is set up.
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Old 11-28-2015, 09:29 PM   #3
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Port switch anchor up, starboard anchor down.
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Old 11-28-2015, 09:31 PM   #4
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Funny! Our surveyor noted that too! So, I switched ours to show the direction of the chain in relation to the deck and orientation of the button. In the above pic, the switch on the RIGHT raises our anchor... now. I felt it made more sense. If, like on our old boat, it said 'UP' it would be an option to label them.
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Old 11-28-2015, 09:32 PM   #5
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I too would think direction of chain....either way...usually not a big deal to switch if you don't like them.
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Should be:

Pointing toward the stern: raises the anchor.

Pointing toward the bow: lowers the anchor.

Regardless, whatever is intuitive (feel right) to you.
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Old 11-28-2015, 09:40 PM   #7
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Direction of chain.

But I would substitute "Down" and "UP" if that option is available to you.
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Put a label on the inside of each cover using the words up and down.
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Old 11-28-2015, 10:53 PM   #10
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Put a label on the windlass:

ANCHOR
UP
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(That's supposed to be an arrow)

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If the switches were oriented fore and aft, the arrows would more clearly indicate the chain direction. I think we tend to read too much into it when they are placed side by side.
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Old 11-29-2015, 01:23 AM   #12
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Mental case ... depends on one's point of reference. Maine would be the movement of chain and not the direction in three dimensional world as the switches are positioned kind of awkwardly and arrows point in/to no particularly specific direction/point.

The switches' labels work for me but UP and DOWN instead of arrows would alleviate the possible confusion.
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Old 11-29-2015, 01:40 AM   #13
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Our foot switches are side by side between the windlass pedestal and the starboard bulwark. I wired them so stepping on the outboard foot switch deploys the anchor, stepping on the inboard switch retrieves the anchor. Out=out, in=in.
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I labeled mine with the direction of the chain, but they are easy enough to rotate the arrows if that makes more sense to you.
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Greetings,
In our case, chain direction. Arrow forward=chain out. Arrow aft=chain in.
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This whole discussion is a joke, right? An arrow pointing forward next to the windlass, what other meaning could there be than chain forward and down? What am I missing here?
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I agree with most here; the arrows go with the chain direction, since both the chain and the foot switches are on a horizontal plane.

Where I have a challenge is my helm mounted windlass switch, which is on an angle, but not too far off horizontal. Moving the toggle forward brings the chain up, while pulling it back drops the chain (powered both ways). That is anti-intuitive to me.
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I agree with most here; the arrows go with the chain direction, since both the chain and the foot switches are on a horizontal plane.

Where I have a challenge is my helm mounted windlass switch, which is on an angle, but not too far off horizontal. Moving the toggle forward brings the chain up, while pulling it back drops the chain (powered both ways). That is anti-intuitive to me.
Mine was counter intuitive like that when I installed it IAW the mfr instructions, so I just reversed the wires at the switch.
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For what it is worth the OP labeling is consistent with the labeling you find on winches, such as for my dinghy lift, arrow away is chain/wire out, arrow coming back is chain/wire in.
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I am with chain in facing in, and chain out facing out. No big arrows on my step switches (little raised black ones) and I assumed those were photoshopped onto the picture, not actually on the switches. I have a vertical windlass and down (out) is on the stbd side and up (in) is on the port. I have to finesse the chain to rope splice around the chain pipe transition sometimes (not often) and it makes it easier to manipulate the line if the "in" switch is on the chain pipe side of the windlass. I have enough line in my locker that if it "cones" there isn't enough fall to pull the splice through.

If I had a rope capstan on a horizontal windlass I would have set my switches one behind the other to keep it out of the line feed. Just my thought...
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