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Old 11-10-2013, 07:20 AM   #21
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I HATE canvas....
I DESPISE canvas...including on other peoples boats. As summer live aboards, we make a point of keeping our sundeck and fly bridge open to the beautiful summer weather (hardtop and bimini only). When boats that are fully enclosed with canvas occupy transient slips in the immediate area, the outdoor views are spoiled...welcome to life in the canvas canyon. Ban canvas side enclosures between May and September north of the Mason Dixon line!
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Old 11-10-2013, 07:40 AM   #22
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My preferred extent of canvas...

Would be a real bitch of a job to drop full enclosure for getting into our covered slip... hving that much canvas! Time to erect enclosure again for each cruise would wear us out!

That said - I appreciate other's wishes to have full enclosure. Heck... there are some locations in PNW as well as New England and Canada where if I resided I too might have full enclosure. But it's not needed in SF Delta!
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Old 11-10-2013, 10:09 AM   #23
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There's a reason there are so many canvas people out there....wherever I can replace it or avoid it....I will...

having run hundreds of boats, maybe thousands, as a pro skipper...no canvas for me....new materials or not.
There are lots of mechanics, riggers, electronics guys, and delivery captains out there as well. I would not throw away my engines!

I'm curious as to what you use to protect your flybridge from rain/sun damage etc. Do you leave it open to the elements 24/7 ? Do you still have your weather cloths or have you removed them as well? Not to beat a dead horse here , but FYI, I have been a boat owner for 51 years, have a Captain's license, and now liveaboard boat #8. I've had enclosures, no enclosures, dodgers and no dodgers, (including the Dodgers that left Brooklyn for LA and that still tics me off) and for me, having an enclosure is to us one of the best investments one can make on a liveaboard boat. That's just the way it looks from here. Howard
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Old 11-10-2013, 10:52 AM   #24
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I somewhat agree ref the need(or lack thereof) for full enclosure if you have a lower helm. But I can certainly understand if you are a liveaboard how it can be another living space. Also, it sure is nice in the Winter when you are "outside" cooking like it is in a greenhouse and you are comfy warm when it is windy and cold out.

And back to my point, I do realize the effects of tide as i mentioned it in my original post. This wasn't a tidal thing. If anything, the tide should have been helping me going to weather. Anyway, I just thought it was interesting that the "oxygen tent" has that much effect on drag at planing speeds.
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Old 11-10-2013, 11:07 AM   #25
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There are lots of mechanics, riggers, electronics guys, and delivery captains out there as well. I would not throw away my engines!

I'm curious as to what you use to protect your flybridge from rain/sun damage etc. Do you leave it open to the elements 24/7 ? Do you still have your weather cloths or have you removed them as well? Not to beat a dead horse here , but FYI, I have been a boat owner for 51 years, have a Captain's license, and now liveaboard boat #8. I've had enclosures, no enclosures, dodgers and no dodgers, (including the Dodgers that left Brooklyn for LA and that still tics me off) and for me, having an enclosure is to us one of the best investments one can make on a liveaboard boat. That's just the way it looks from here. Howard
No dead horse unless you think everyone has to listen to your opinion only..some of us are still nicely discussing the merits.

I don't use anything as there's nothing up there to really protect...a couple folding chairs with covers on them...a few other things....but I would at MOST have a mooring cover if I thought anything needed to be protected beyond it's individual cover.

I am on my 3rd liveaboard and have never been so happy as to minimize my canvas "exposure". On my sportfish I canned the bimini as soon as I got the boat and put a hardtop on it. It's just my opinion but generally in my experience...canvas is a high priced, short lived, high maintenance item for what it is. If I want my flybridge enclosed for more living space....I'll enclose it with anything under the sun but canvas and vinyl.

The new siff tops that snap/bolt right on to a bimini frame are but one of many examples of better materials coming out to replace "canvas".

I'm not "right"...just tired of canvas and canvas fixers/makers/maintenance/worrying about wind....
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Mark - That is obviously your favorite pict!!
It is for threads concerning flying bridges.
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Old 11-10-2013, 12:15 PM   #27
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It's just my opinion but generally in my experience...canvas is a high priced, short lived, high maintenance item for what it is.
I agree with the above and it has been a requirement to "not have a canvas encloser" on my boat. The small cockpit awning I have is quite enough. That said, however, I can see why those with fly bridges do enclose them with canvas and vinyl or strataglass.
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Old 11-11-2013, 06:12 AM   #28
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Our choice so far has been to unfold a 10x10 yard structure , $65 at the local store and it has gone years in salt water.

Sure our cockpit is unusual in being able to eat a 10x10 item ,but it works for us and cost less than the sales tax of a unit that can be foulded but not simply foulded and stored.
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