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Old 12-05-2016, 07:01 PM   #21
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5 soundings of the horn has nothing to do with whether he is or thinks he is the stand on vessel or not.
Wifey B: The ferry had the louder horn. I mean, really, that should have waked someone up from their Nap Tyme.
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Old 12-05-2016, 07:11 PM   #22
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It looks to me that the smaller vessel was going into the sun. I think that played a factor even if he thought he was the "stand on" vessel. Nevertheless boat vessels have a duty to avoid a collision if one is apparent
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Old 12-05-2016, 07:22 PM   #23
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If the ferry had rapped the power 2 seconds sooner it's wash would have blown the smaller boat away from the collision.
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Old 12-05-2016, 07:25 PM   #24
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I think the CG will take a pretty dim view of the actions or non actions of both parties here. Neither took early and decisive action to avoid the collision. CG will likely rule both at fault to some degree.
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Old 12-05-2016, 07:37 PM   #25
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Newspaper said pleasureboater was using the head. The ferry was almost stopped when collision ocurred, otherwise that boat would be on the bottom. Can't tell from video when he backed down, probably right after he started sounding his horn. I think that ferry normally runs about 12-15 knots.
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Old 12-05-2016, 07:40 PM   #26
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I never can remember the rules well enough to know if I'm stand on or give way, so I always just give way..
I remember the rules just fine but I give way anyway. I see no value in making my point on the water, especially since all parties involved can be held responsible for not avoiding a colision. It appears in this one could have been a lot worse.
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Old 12-05-2016, 07:47 PM   #27
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Based on the relative position of the two vessels it looks as if trawler was the stand on vessel. However RULE 2(b) is also important here.

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2(b) In construing and complying with these rules due regard shall be had to all dangers of navigation and collision and to any special circumstances, including the limitations of the vessels involved, which may make a departure from these rules necessary to avoid immediate danger
In other words the trawler should have done something when collision was immnient.

About 5 seconds into the video, just about the time one of the passengers says "Jesus..." the camera woobles left and we can see the ferry is close to the slip. There have been rulings that a ferry approaching it's slip is to be considered navigating in a narrow channel. This can supersede "right of way" from being on the right side.

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  • A vessel proceeding along a narrow channel must keep to starboard.
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  • Ships must not cross a channel if to do so would impede another vessel which can navigate only within that channel.
I also note that at the time of the actual collision we can see the prop wash from the ferry. That means the ferry had been backing hard for some time to avoid the collision.

It will be interesting to see how the authorities deal with this one.
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Old 12-05-2016, 07:54 PM   #28
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Anyone know the brand and model of the yacht? She would appear to be built like the proverbial brick outhouse. Our old Albin-25 is rugged, but eventually we might want a larger vessel.
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Old 12-05-2016, 08:08 PM   #29
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Not sure that was prop wash, I was thinking thrusters
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It will come down to this. If both parties had done all the right things, no collision would have occurred. It is the responsibility of both vessels to avoid collision.
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Old 12-05-2016, 08:13 PM   #31
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Not sure that was prop wash, I was thinking thrusters
The Washington State double ended ferries don't have thrusters.

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It will come down to this. If both parties had done all the right things, no collision would have occurred. It is the responsibility of both vessels to avoid collision.
Yes, that's it exactly. We'll see what the authorities have to say.

If the video tells the whole story both sides effed up.
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Old 12-05-2016, 08:15 PM   #32
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Anyone know the brand and model of the yacht? She would appear to be built like the proverbial brick outhouse. Our old Albin-25 is rugged, but eventually we might want a larger vessel.
I'm thinking Delta. Lines similar to a buddies 50'er.
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Old 12-05-2016, 08:27 PM   #33
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Anyone know the brand and model of the yacht? She would appear to be built like the proverbial brick outhouse. Our old Albin-25 is rugged, but eventually we might want a larger vessel.
Concur on the brick sh**house. I have personally watched FAR more damage from much less energy transfer. Impressive.
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Old 12-05-2016, 08:35 PM   #34
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I watched it again and in my mind the ferry is certainly partially responsible for the collision. He was still moving ahead when it happened and more importantly he did not give full power to the forward eng until the collision, maybe a few seconds before but not nearly as soon as he should have. And he could have altered course to port but there is no indication that he did. He was assuming that the small boat was going to wake up some day. Rash assumption on his part. Its all about making the right moves early, neither did.
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Old 12-05-2016, 08:41 PM   #35
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Watch out for ferries!

Years ago when we put our first autopilot in our first boat, my father in law made sure we understood that we still needed to pay attention to where we were going and what was around us. (I think we already knew that.) A gentle reminder for the owners of Nap Tyme.

https://youtu.be/mtZJ__8PVDU

That looks like it was a bit embarrassing.

More details here
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Sorry I don't see your post about this until I posted the same thing.
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Old 12-05-2016, 08:49 PM   #37
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You just have to wonder!! My God, what an embarrassment this will be for him. He also may wish to review bookings in a Tibetan monk rehab for the duration.

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Old 12-05-2016, 08:52 PM   #38
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Amazing amount of information you all have gleaned from this video! Someone should forward this entire thread to the hearing board when it convenes and save them the bother of reviewing any actual facts.

Good grief!
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I like the configuration and style of the NAP TYME, in addition to her obvious stout construction. No flying bridge is a plus for me.
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I like the configuration and style of the NAP TYME, in addition to her obvious stout construction. No flying bridge is a plus for me.
Rubbish old chap.

If he had been napping on his flying bridge he would have been woken by the horn blasts!
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