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Old 09-10-2015, 12:25 PM   #1
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Where are the trawlers in the PNW? Poulsbo

There have been a few recent threads about demographics (with a particular emphasis on GB owners). And every now and then someone pops up and asks where would be a good place in the PNW to home port a trawler.

We're currently in the reciprocal moorage at Poulsbo Yacht Club, which is a little different from other clubs in that the members own the slips and can sell them on the market so it's possible for someone with no seniority to purchase a large slip.

But it was the boats here in this (guessing) 120 slip marina that got my attention - the majority of them trawlers:

8 - Taiwanese Tri-cabin Trawler
7 - Bayliner Motoryacht
6 - Grand Banks (32, 36, 36, 42, 46, 52)
8 - Tollycraft
4 - Taiwanese Motoryacht
4 - Ocean Alexander
3 - Selene
3 - Uniflite
2 - Nordic Tugs
2 - Wood Trawler
1 - Nordhavn
1 - American Tug
1 - Camano
1 - Acapulco Trawler
1 - Chris Craft (Connie?)
1 - Sea Horse
1 - Fleming
1 - American Marine Trawler
1 - Kady Krogen 48
1 - Roughwater
1 - Defever 49
1 - Custom lobster yacht
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Old 09-10-2015, 12:28 PM   #2
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The only thing that outnumbers the trawlers is the seals on the breakwater:
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I thought all our trawlers were in the Carolinas and Gulf states fishing for shrimp. Interesting you found a bunch in Poulsbo. I've never seen one in Bellngham. Only seiners, trollers, crabbers, and combination boats. I always assumed trawlng was an ineffective method of fishing in the coastal waters here but your list proves otherwise.
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I look around my harbor in Seward Alaska... Which requires the longest open ocean crossing in the entire North American continent to get to and what do I see.

Not counting sail boats, or commercial boats...

We have a Nordhavn. Yes, one.

No other displacement only boats. None. The harbor is filled with SD boats.

I find that amazing. Did these boats just magically appear? Were they trucked up? Perhaps they came up on a barge?

Nope, nope, nope.

They came here because their owners drove them here.

Hundreds of boats!

and this is again the farthest open ocean crossing necessary on the entire North American continent

Amazing isint it??? Just think if those owners had read TF first, and gotten the skinny on what is necessary first. How would the harbor look then?
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Here we go again. Refugio are you saying Fleming, Bayliner, Nordic Tug, Tollycraft and other SD vessels are trawlers? Me thinks not. But marketing 101 can certainly intrude.
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So are the other 61 boats sailboats?
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I look around my harbor in Seward Alaska... Which requires the longest open ocean crossing in the entire North American continent to get to and what do I see.

Not counting sail boats, or commercial boats...

We have a Nordhavn. Yes, one.

No other displacement only boats. None. The harbor is filled with SD boats.

I find that amazing. Did these boats just magically appear? Were they trucked up? Perhaps they came up on a barge?

Nope, nope, nope.

They came here because their owners drove them here.

Hundreds of boats!

and this is again the farthest open ocean crossing necessary on the entire North American continent

Amazing isint it??? Just think if those owners had read TF first, and gotten the skinny on what is necessary first. How would the harbor look then?

Now THAT is a great point!!


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Can't see where a 7 to 9 knot trawler would be as suitable in AK as something capable of 12to 16 knots. Distances are great and weather moves quickly.
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So are the other 61 boats sailboats?

No

Sail stabilized trawlers
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Ah yes, Uniflite.
They have been such high production trawlers.
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Most larger marinas have a variety of boats including trawlers. The big yards that can due large trawlers are Delta, Seaview in Seattle, Everett marina, Port Townsend as they have lift big enough and capable to handle the large equipment. One of the reasons we are moored in Everett has a 75 tons lift.

Since most marinas are gate secured best to look go by the water side. Fishermen in Seattle was all commercial at one time also allows pleasure. If want to see and go on trawlers go to a trawler fest in your area put on by Passage Maker Magazine
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We're currently in the reciprocal moorage at Poulsbo Yacht Club, .....
Darn, just saw this and strolled out to the recip but you were gone. Should knocked on the boat, been home all day. Maybe next time you are over.

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Darn, just saw this and strolled out to the recip but you were gone. Should knocked on the boat, been home all day. Maybe next time you are over.



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I look around my harbor in Seward Alaska... Which requires the longest open ocean crossing in the entire North American continent to get to and what do I see.

Not counting sail boats, or commercial boats...

We have a Nordhavn. Yes, one.

No other displacement only boats. None. The harbor is filled with SD boats.

I find that amazing. Did these boats just magically appear? Were they trucked up? Perhaps they came up on a barge?

Nope, nope, nope.

They came here because their owners drove them here.

Hundreds of boats!

and this is again the farthest open ocean crossing necessary on the entire North American continent

Amazing isint it??? Just think if those owners had read TF first, and gotten the skinny on what is necessary first. How would the harbor look then?
And you are generalizing your Seward-based "cruising" to everywhere, and I think that's a mistake. You take calculated dashes between a small number of protected places, but you've also said your primary use of your boat is for fishing - another activity that places a premium on getting to and from the fishing location quickly. You don't have "trawler" types up there because - given a choice - they would all rather be elsewhere. As you yourself are contemplating.

Yes, you can take a SD motoryacht style vessel a surprising number of places if you plan ahead and make allowances. But you can also take a FD vessel the same number - and more - places and do it with greater safety margins. And trawler vessels can have very comfortable accommodations - they just tend to have fewer staterooms, heads, AV systems, and extra ice makers. The elimination of which would seem to align well with a single-hander.
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And you are generalizing your Seward-based "cruising" to everywhere, and I think that's a mistake. You take calculated dashes between a small number of protected places, but you've also said your primary use of your boat is for fishing - another activity that places a premium on getting to and from the fishing location quickly. You don't have "trawler" types up there because - given a choice - they would all rather be elsewhere. As you yourself are contemplating.

Yes, you can take a SD motoryacht style vessel a surprising number of places if you plan ahead and make allowances. But you can also take a FD vessel the same number - and more - places and do it with greater safety margins. And trawler vessels can have very comfortable accommodations - they just tend to have fewer staterooms, heads, AV systems, and extra ice makers. The elimination of which would seem to align well with a single-hander.
I agree with everything in your post except... And you are generalizing your Seward-based "cruising" to everywhere, and I think that's a mistake. But that a minor point.

What I do is maximize the capabilities of my boat style. Just like a guy with a different boat style maximizes his boats capabilities.

What I was trying to point out, and I think that I was successful at doing that, is that a SD boat can be used for Coastal Cruising anywhere along a coastline. If you can make it safely to Seward Alaska, you can make it safely everywhere.

The funny thing is, I hear allot of inferring that you need a FD boat to safely travel in the ocean. This inferring is generally promoted by guys with FD boats btw. The facts just don't prove that theory out. There are advantages and disadvantages of both hull form types, but both are capable.
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In general I think most well-designed, well-built boats can take far more than the typical recreational boater can or is willng to. Semi-planng boats are frequently taken up or down the west coast between Seattle/Vancouver and California. A number of the charter fishing boats out of places like Westport have semi-planing hulls.

Several weekends ago we were planning to take our planing-hull fishng boat over to Whidbey Island for a couple of days of crabbing with friends who live on the island. We didn't go. Why? The water was too rough. If our fishing boat had a displacement hull we wouldn't have gone either. Why? The water was too rough.

In each case the boat could have dealt with the water assuming smart boat handling. But in each case it would have been a miserable experience for everyone on the boat.

People have crossed oceans in rafts, in canoes, in rowing boats, you name it. The design of a vessel certainly contributes a lot to the vessel's capabilities. Grand Banks are very poor open-ocean cruising boats for a lot of reasons that have nothing to do with the hull type, which happens to be semi-planing.

I am always leery of generalizations like "X is no good for doing Y with" because almost invariably someone comes along and proves it wrong as Kevin has done on numerous occasions when people have said or implied that the type of boat he has is not suited for what he uses it for.

The success of a boat in the conditions it's used under is far more dependent on the person using it than on its design. A smart user understands the capabilities and limitations of his or her vessel and so uses the vessel safely in whatever environment the boat is used in.

This includes things like not going crabbing in very rough water even if the boat is cabable of dealing with it because other factors would make the endeavour very undesireable with an elevated level of risk. On a different day with the exact same boat in the exact same waters, no problem.

The success of a voyage is ultimately determined by the boater, not the boat.
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Refugio-we stayed at the meydenbauer recip for a couple of days around Seafair. What a great spot!

We have stayed in poulsbo many times but I always prefer to anchor and watch the dogfish show at night
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Thanks Marin great explanation.

There is a underllying attitude or belief if you will among some boaters that if you do not have a FD boat your boat is not seaworthy enough to be out on the ocean.

That is a wonderful beleif, right up until people actually look at the boats running along coastlines and realize that quite a few of them are just "normal" boats. Bayliners, Carvers, Grand Banks for the more monied up ones, Navigators, all kinds of boats.

It's funny, if you read every one of my posts, I have never knocked anybodies boat or boat type. I just wish that same courtesy were extended in both directions. Not just to me but to all the SD and planing boat owners out there.
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Marin nailed it. Not much else to say. Kevin, I feel the same way you do too. Common courtesy goes much farther than theoretical situations and degrading comments.

Apparently I have a wet boat, but my last trip up to the Broughtons and back resulted in 820 miles and 6 weeks of dry decks except for two days, one of rain and the other as we came down the Strait of Georgia in 25-35 knot winds and 3-6' seas. The decks got a bit of spray on them. Not the best weather to be out cruising but the boat did fine and we did too. The winds came up about an hour sooner than forecasted and we had no choice at that point.
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