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Old 06-11-2013, 01:35 PM   #41
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Yep, only with a taller tower that put you farther our over the water. I will try to find a photo of the boat and scan it. Woo Hoo!!!
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Old 06-11-2013, 01:36 PM   #42
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I've never felt unsafe up there. Uncomfortable perhaps, in which case we go below to drive. We don't have any bar crossings to contend with or any reason we'd have to head out on a long passage in iffy weather so no excuses really to be out in "unsafe" conditions.
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Old 06-11-2013, 02:54 PM   #43
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I've never felt unsafe up there. Uncomfortable perhaps, in which case we go below to drive. We don't have any bar crossings to contend with or any reason we'd have to head out on a long passage in iffy weather so no excuses really to be out in "unsafe" conditions.
Jennifer Exactly Correct!

Rides on FBs can be wild and scary or soft n mellow! Ive been on both...

Wild and Scary Yahoooo! Soft n Mellow Yummmm!
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Old 06-11-2013, 03:11 PM   #44
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My 1973 31' Uni had low hour 235 hp Chris Craft engines on V-drives. Man would she'd get up and GO! Handled real well and took seas with ease. Exact hull and manufacturer as many hundred Viet Nam delta patrol boats. I referred to her as my marine go-cart. WOT was 32 +/- knots. Cruise all day at 25. Trim adjustment was fun! High speed turns were a blast!!

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Old 06-11-2013, 05:26 PM   #45
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Morehead City Yacht Basin in about 1974 during the Big Rock Tournament. Yours truly about 2/3 down the dock in dark shirt and yellow cap. The tall tower on the right is on the Bertram 38. More on that later.

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The Bertram 38 with tower. That was a righteous tower. Now that was scary.

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The infamous Bertram 31 that we fished.

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Old 06-12-2013, 12:47 PM   #48
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You mean like this . . . . Woo Hoo!! Man those thing can turn.



OK, I've GOT to get my head back in the game and quit this reminiscing . . .

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Old 06-12-2013, 01:23 PM   #49
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Don't forget to reminisce about how much fuel it takes to run like that...
Yeah, diesel fuel was 40 cents a gallon. No wonder I remember those days so fondly.
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Old 06-12-2013, 01:26 PM   #50
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Don't forget to reminisce about how much fuel it takes to run like that...
Bout 30 gal per hr per engine...

Today's market that = 60 X $5 = bout $300 bucks per hr!! 10 hr day at thar rate = $3,000 in just gas. Divided by 3 guys = $1,000 a piece for the day! Ouch!!

Boys will be Boys... So, who's counten $$$?

Ahhh the good ol' days... Late 50's to mid 60's in New England; marine gas was bout $0.33... diesel even cheaper.

Back then, at $0.33 per gal... using 60 gal per hr = bout $20 bucks! 3 guys haven 10 hrs of roompen fun in a sport fisher for $200 = bout $66 bucks each, not too shabby

Like I said, Ahhh... The Good Ol' Days!
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Of course you will need to adjust for currency destruction , devaluation AKA inflation.
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All these posts on the Bertram 31s and not a mention of the most famous Bertram of all, the Moppie.
Walt I don't believe that was the original "Moppie". I recall she was gas powered and won the Nassu race in 1961 and gave birth to what we now call a "deep V hull". Powered by 375hp Chris Craft/Lincoln V8s.

If I had the money I'd ditch the Willard and drive a 31 Bertram forever.
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If I had the money I'd ditch the Willard and drive a 31 Bertram forever.
The "Moppie" Was/is a great boat! For those interested, here's a snapshot of her history. Bertram 31 History
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The "Moppie" Was/is a great boat! For those interested, here's a snapshot of her history. Bertram 31 History
Walt - TY for that link to Bertram 31 History...

Regarding following quote from your link: I was 9 yrs old and aboard that first Bertram on show room floor at the 1961 NY boat show. With dad as energizer my family attended nearly every NY show from mid 50's to late 60's. We watched Bertram and many other famous boat builders introduce great new boat designs. As well, it was intriguing to experience the change-over from wood to fiberglass.

"The Bertram 31 launched Bertram Yacht, Inc. when it was introduced at the 1961 New York National Boat Show..."
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Don,

You will certainly remember this view from the business end of a 31 at speed.


Eric,

Note how small the wake is. Perfection!

This one has Cummins 6BTA 250s, 1.5 gears, and 21x22 three-blade props (under-propped) with no cup. Weight is about 13,000. She will run 24.5 kts at 2400 rpm all day, regardless of load. She goes from 1000 rpm and 7.3 kts to 2650 and 27 kts in a mere 6 seconds . . . . pull back to 2400 and she will make 24.5 kts smooth as silk, you can cover a lot of water at 24.5 kts with the engines loafing along, sipping fuel at 16 gph total. She carries 222 gal of fuel, so, at cruise and 85% fuel, the range is 288 nm, and 1.5 nm/gal or about $3/nm. Not too bad for this kind of boat.

With a pair of 330s, a B31 should top out around 33-35 kts, but anywhere over 30 kts, if you hit anything over 3' it will throw you out of the boat, right Don?


Walt,

C. Raymond Hunt really got it right with the deep-V hull concept. It was revolutionary then and still valid today. That first Moppie really did start it all.




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Walt thank you so much for that history of the thirtyone! I remember most of the guys mentioned in the article. Richard Bertram, Jim Wynne, Carlton Mitchel, and Jim Martenhoff were frequently in my store.

Carlton Mitchell was the last of that group to pass. He died at 96 in 2007 and still owned and used a boat.

Jim Wynne was the first to cross the Atlantic in an outboard powered boat. He also invented the stern drive. I remember him as a very nice man who spent a lot of time discussing Possum's layout with me when I was having her built.

Bertram continued to ocean race into the eighties I think. All of their race boats were named Moppie. A fellow named Sammy James ran the race boats for them.
FF, I think Sammy lives near you in La Belle Florida.
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Don,

You will certainly remember this view from the business end of a 31 at speed.


Eric,

Note how small the wake is. Perfection!

This one has Cummins 6BTA 250s, 1.5 gears, and 21x22 three-blade props (under-propped) with no cup. Weight is about 13,000. She will run 24.5 kts at 2400 rpm all day, regardless of load. She goes from 1000 rpm and 7.3 kts to 2650 and 27 kts in a mere 6 seconds . . . . pull back to 2400 and she will make 24.5 kts smooth as silk, you can cover a lot of water at 24.5 kts with the engines loafing along, sipping fuel at 16 gph total. She carries 222 gal of fuel, so, at cruise and 85% fuel, the range is 288 nm, and 1.5 nm/gal or about $3/nm. Not too bad for this kind of boat.

With a pair of 330s, a B31 should top out around 33-35 kts, but anywhere over 30 kts, if you hit anything over 3' it will throw you out of the boat, right Don?


Walt,

C. Raymond Hunt really got it right with the deep-V hull concept. It was revolutionary then and still valid today. That first Moppie really did start it all.




I absolutely love this thread, but by now is has absolutely nothing to do with Trawlers or Unsafe Flybridges. That's Entertainment!

Back to work.

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Larry, as you know every boat is a compromise. Where the Bertram 31 would really shine was running a following sea. She tracked like on rails. Slow trolling she would roll like a bitch in the trough. Low free board and few hand holds and rails. She was wet, but all that didn't really matter. It was a pure fishing boat with large cockpit and not a lot of amenities. . . . . .and boy would she run.
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I run from the flybridge about 99.5% of the time. The only times I have run from down below is if it's REAL cold. We've been in 5'-6' waves and have yet to find a time when the flybridge felt uncomfortable to be on. A lot of that has to do with the boat's beam. At 15.5' Beachcomber doesn't rock much.




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