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Old 02-11-2016, 08:23 PM   #1
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When things go wrong...

...and then go right.
You guys who say don't get involved, stick to your ICW.

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Old 02-11-2016, 08:43 PM   #2
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Greetings,
Mr. H. BIG difference between getting involved where there is potential loss of life and simply a loss of pride (grounding).

What was the scenario whereby the tug got into difficulty?
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Old 02-11-2016, 09:18 PM   #3
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Can't say for sure...looks like the barge ran past the track the tug was trying to pull it on too short of a wire...thus what is called tripping the tug as the barge kept going and the pull perpendicular to the tug just rolls the tug over.


Very scary when it happens to you...have come close many a time but always recovered.


Can happen just as easily on the ICW....
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That kayaker is badass! Human powered rescue is always an option. Well played.

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Old 02-11-2016, 09:59 PM   #5
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BIG difference between getting involved where there is potential loss of life and simply a loss of pride (grounding).
RT, if ever there was an elbow to the ribs, that was it. Some of you guys just take things way too seriously sometimes.

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What was the scenario whereby the tug got into difficulty?
They were running Skookum Chuck (Big Water) Narrows.


We lost two SAR volunteers in the same spot 3 years ago.

Google Skookum Chuck Narrows videos for some fun.
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Old 02-11-2016, 10:07 PM   #6
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When things go wrong...

That was crazy
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Can't say for sure...looks like the barge ran past the track the tug was trying to pull it on too short of a wire...thus what is called tripping the tug as the barge kept going and the pull perpendicular to the tug just rolls the tug over.
Pretty much. It's not rare for tows to pass tugs out here.

Amazing how long the engines kept going until they raced up and quit.
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Old 02-11-2016, 10:33 PM   #8
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Wonder what the guys on the boat asked to take a line from the barge were thinking, seeing what happened to the tug. Good on them, and the kayaker too.
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Old 02-11-2016, 10:39 PM   #9
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...and then go right.
You guys who say don't get involved, stick to your ICW......


Maybe I'm missing something here. What exactly has this to do with the ICW.
The ICW is way too far from there to send a kayak rescue team? I'm lost here.
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Old 02-12-2016, 07:14 AM   #10
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Dave is a superhero..........of some sorts.
What a mess, good on the kayak people!
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Old 02-12-2016, 07:44 AM   #11
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Hey Paul


How are things going with your dock building?
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You have the same issues of current flow verse eddies and boils in New York city at Hell's Gate. Our sailboat does 6 knots. Our speed over ground was 13 knots the last trip.
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Old 02-12-2016, 11:47 AM   #13
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The March issue of Professional Mariner has an article with TWO tugs capsizing trying to secure a barge against the Seaway International Bridge at Cornwall, Ontario. The TSB said the tugs were not up to the task.
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From the TSB report

History of the Voyage

The North Arm Venture departed Vancouver, British Columbia, on 17 July 2009, bound for a number of locations. On 18 July 2009, the North Arm Venture left Toba Inlet, British Columbia, at 2100. 3 The tug, with a crew of four,wastowing the barge North Arm Express, heading for Sechelt Inlet, British Columbia. Cargo on board the North Arm Express included 370 156 litres of diesel fuel and gasoline in bulk, 5 empty bulk cement carriers and 3 trucks on deck.

As travelling time from Toba Inlet would have seen the tug arrive about an hour after slack water, the decision was made to "run slow" to arrive at Sechelt Rapids at the following slack water in order to transit at low tide slack water, predicted at 1254 on July 19.

The master, mate, and crew were working a watch system of six hours on/six hours off. The master and deckhand No. 1 worked from 0600 to 1200 and 1800 to 2400, whereas the mate and deckhand No. 2 worked from 0000 to 0600 and again from 1200 to 1800. There were no indications that fatigue was a factor.

On July 19 at 0600, the master came on watch when the tug was abeam Scotch Fir Point at the entrance to Jervis Inlet, approximately 16 miles from Sechelt Rapids. The tug and tow proceeded at slow speed, planning to arrive at the Sechelt Rapids at low tide slack water. At 1200, the tug and tow were 2.8 miles from Sechelt Rapids, abeam Egmont Point, when the master handed over the watch to the mate. The master and deckhand No. 1 subsequently went down to the galley for lunch, after which deckhand No. 1 went forward to the forecastle to rest. 4

At 1215, the master returned to the wheelhouse top to provide the mate with advice during the transit through the narrows.

At 1235, the tow line was shortened to approximately 19 m 5, including an 11 m bridle, to enhance manoeuvrability for the transit through the narrows.

At 1246, the master took over the helm and increased power to half ahead to proceed into the ebb current. The ebb current was still running, estimated at 1 to 2 knots, but the master noticed it was diminishing. As they approached the narrows the barge experienced a sheer to starboard. The master commenced his alteration to port, from a heading of 220 True (T) to a heading of approximately 136 T. The barge, however, did not follow through the turn and continued on its course. 6 To regain control of the tow, the master then sought to reposition his tug ahead of the barge by applying starboard helm. This manoeuvre was unsuccessful, and the barge overtook the tug.

Pulled starboard by the force from the towline, the tug girded on its starboard side (see Photo 2) and quickly capsized at approximately 1250 in position 49C 44.5’ N, 123C 54’ W.

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How are things going with your dock building?

Going good, good enough to start working on the rose again
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That is Great news. I'm happy for you and the Cajun Rose.
We were talking about you the other day when we realized it was Mardi Gras time again.
Thanks again for inviting us along.
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