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Old 12-28-2014, 06:41 PM   #81
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Their website contains boat sold information. Hull #52 (fully cored) for the 112' series was sold in November. It will be interesting to see how the sale of the company plays out. The new owner is in the oil and gas business and with decreasing petro dollars ----------?

Now that's a good point. Chances are the new owner didn't expect the down turn...
BUT... This could possibly translate into an upturn for the boating industry???


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Old 12-28-2014, 06:56 PM   #82
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It will be interesting to see how the sale of the company plays out. The new owner is in the oil and gas business and with decreasing petro dollars ----------?
I wouldn't worry about the Chouest family as they are primarily suppliers of vessels for offshore supply but also their company doesn't have the kind of debt you're so use to seeing. Actually the last I knew they had more demand for boats than they could build in their facilities and had even farmed some builds out. Now that's not saying a downturn isn't possible.

The good part of them acquiring is that it's kept in the hands of boaters and not an investment firm. The Chouest family has always been actively involved, especially in fishing (They own ACY as well). Oh and Gary did already personally own a Westport.
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Old 12-28-2014, 07:04 PM   #83
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My only thought/concern with Bayliners is when the next time they'll throw a large wake at me.
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This is a legitimate question as I really don't have a clue of the answer...

Are any Bayliner hulls cored below the waterline? None? Does it vary with model? Year?
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Old 12-28-2014, 11:24 PM   #85
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If you own an 89 38' Motoryacht, I built the galley in it. And I helped put the deck on.
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Oh yea, and I installed the portlights too.
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Old 12-28-2014, 11:44 PM   #87
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This is a legitimate question as I really don't have a clue of the answer...

Are any Bayliner hulls cored below the waterline? None? Does it vary with model? Year?
Per Jack Horner in a 2012 Boat US article the 4550/4588 hull is a laminate cored with foam below the waterline.
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Old 12-28-2014, 11:49 PM   #88
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But you own a Tollycraft
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Old 12-28-2014, 11:52 PM   #89
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Love this thread. We bought a 4788 after owning a 2855. The wife of a friend with an upscale 26 footer offered to trade us straight up for our significantly older 2855. We're talking an $80,000 difference in acquisition costs. We sold the 2855 and bought a 4788.

We love our 4788. Beautiful design, well-built, and a wonderful Pilothouse to run from.

I am in the insurance business. Car insurance varies based on frequency of losses, costs to repair, and lots of other variables. We also insure boats and yachts. There is absolutely no cost difference to insure a Bayliner versus any other boat of a similar insured value. If Bayliners were more likely to sink, there would be a difference. They aren't and there isn't.
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I wouldn't worry about the Chouest family as they are primarily suppliers of vessels for offshore supply but also their company doesn't have the kind of debt you're so use to seeing. Actually the last I knew they had more demand for boats than they could build in their facilities and had even farmed some builds out. Now that's not saying a downturn isn't possible.

The good part of them acquiring is that it's kept in the hands of boaters and not an investment firm. The Chouest family has always been actively involved, especially in fishing (They own ACY as well). Oh and Gary did already personally own a Westport.
Chouest is a big supporter of Bobby Jindal and past part owner of the Hornets/Pelicans. The NBA team ran into financial problems and was sold to the NBA in 2010, later to be bought by Saints owner Tom Benson. Seems like a normal billionaire with interesting short term purchases, mostly off the radar as his family company is private and not publically traded.
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Chouest is a big supporter of Bobby Jindal and past part owner of the Hornets/Pelicans. The NBA team ran into financial problems and was sold to the NBA in 2010, later to be bought by Saints owner Tom Benson. Seems like a normal billionaire with interesting short term purchases, mostly off the radar as his family company is private and not publically traded.
Yes, he bought 25% of the Hornets and was going to buy the remainder but dealing with George Shinn is always problematic. Ultimately they couldn't agree on a total price or whether Shinn would still retain any share and then the gulf oil spill took Chouest's time and energy.

This was all an effort to keep the team in New Orleans as Shinn had already moved it once, was more than willing to sell it to someone who would relocate it and tried after Katrina to keep it in Oklahoma City where they played two years but the NBA would have none of that.

The NBA stepped in and bought the team when it was clear Shinn couldn't survive longer and he was going to sell it to be relocated. Tom Benson was and is the ideal buyer of the team and perhaps the only one in position to not lose money on it due to the synergy with the Saints. Ironic because after Katrina, Benson tried to relocate the Saints to San Antonio which is where he lived and built his auto empire.
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But you own a Tollycraft
I can't afford a Bayliner 38 Motoryacht. And I know how they are put together. I think Bayliners are very efficiently designed boats. There are just so many of them all over Puget Sound. My Tolly is not as well laid out interior wise, but it is a stronger built boat.
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This is a legitimate question as I really don't have a clue of the answer...

Are any Bayliner hulls cored below the waterline? None? Does it vary with model? Year?
On my website "baylinerpilothouse.com" in the page "history and updates" I have photos of the layups of these boats, along with photos of a wrecked one along with the cut outs for a bow thruster. I can factually tell you that the fiberglass layers before the coring is thicker by itself than the entire hull thickness of so called quality passagemaker yachts. I'm not going to open that thread up again, but I documented this fact with photos in a earlier thread.
YES, they are cored.
Coring is a good thing when done correctly.

and to the fellow that thankfully pointed out "so many of them all over Pudget Sound" (them being Bayliners), this is exactly why I questioned the person who started this thread by posting a false assumption as fact on a forum VERSUS just looking out his window in Friday Harbor, then go speak to the owners of the vessels. You can't get to Friday Harbor by car or Ferry without going through Anacortes, and that town is packed with the boats and businesses that service them.
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As to Bayliner skippers being clueless...

Yesterday near Little River, it wasn't a Bayliner that made the bad pass, nor the Sea Ray or the Sportfishemen....it was the sundeck Mainship.....

So........
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Yes, I hold my Bayliner in low regard, just like I've held the other four ocean going Bayliners we've owned in low regard.

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Well this is a good read and fun. The only folks that bash BL are the snobby Sea Ray crowd (except for GFC). The one thing I did notice in the older models was the cookie cutter type stuff. It didn't matter if you bought a big or small the floor plans looked all the same.

When I was looking at buying a bigger boat we looked at BL, SR and Meridians (Some will say still a BL). Funny thing the merdians had better floor plans and had all the same stuff a SR had at half the cost! Now their quality has also risen when Brunwick started manufacturing them in the same plant as SR and using some of the same material.

Kevin's trip to Alaska in his BL proved to me that they are good boats. But like anything else, if you take care of it, it will be a good boat regardless of brand.
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I can't afford a Bayliner 38 Motoryacht. And I know how they are put together. I think Bayliners are very efficiently designed boats. There are just so many of them all over Puget Sound. My Tolly is not as well laid out interior wise, but it is a stronger built boat.
True on the "stronger built boat" mention. I've seen cores of Bayliner hulls and cores of Tolly hulls. Although I appreciate it and don't mind it a bit - Tolly hulls are a bit overbuilt, nearly 2X... IMHO. Our 77 34' tri cabin Tolly is laid out well. Not as glitzy as BL, but darn comfortable and easy to deal with! Luv the roomie engine compartment's wide open inside salon access... when desired.
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True on the "stronger built boat" mention. I've seen cores of Bayliner hulls and cores of Tolly hulls. Although I appreciate it and don't mind it a bit - Tolly hulls are a bit overbuilt, nearly 2X... IMHO. Our 77 34' tri cabin Tolly is laid out well. Not as glitzy as BL, but darn comfortable and easy to deal with! Luv the roomie engine compartment's wide open inside salon access... when desired.
I think Tollycraft was an excellent boat. Another I hate is dead. Your comment about overbuilt is interesting. Built to purpose is always something I think of. Some boats have hulls built to cross oceans on boats that never will. I've also seen boats that just were trying to protect themselves by adding more and more glass rather than updating their methodology.
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As has been noted, an awful lot of Bayliners up here in the PNW. If you want see virtually every model ever made, just go spend the weekend at the Locks in Seattle on a nice summer weekend. There must be 500 Bayliners docked in Lake Union/Lake Washington. And everyone one of them heads through the locks to the Sound. There have been days going through when I thought I had stumbled upon a Bayliner Rendezvous. All those owners must like something about them!
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