Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
 
Old 12-03-2012, 07:05 PM   #1
Guru
 
City: coos bay
Country: usa
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 1,203
whats the diference between a motor yatch and a trawler

i know one is faster with a planning hull and the other has a displacement or semi displacement hull but is that all the diference?
__________________
Advertisement

bfloyd4445 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-03-2012, 07:17 PM   #2
Guru
 
Nomad Willy's Avatar
 
City: Concrete Washington State
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Willy
Vessel Model: Willard Nomad 30'
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 13,722
NO

The hulls are much more similar than the rest of the boat. It's mostly the style. If you look at the hull of a Ranger Tug and without seeing any more of the boat than the hull you'd never guess it to be a Trawler. And if you could only see the bottom of a Willard or British Fisher you'd think it a sailboat. But they are what they are because of their styling.

Seems odd to me when the hull dictates mostly what the capabilities of any boat or ship will be.
__________________

__________________
Eric

North Western Washington State USA
Nomad Willy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-03-2012, 07:21 PM   #3
Guru
 
BruceK's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 7,573
Quote:
Originally Posted by bfloyd4445 View Post
i know one is faster with a planning hull and the other has a displacement or semi displacement hull but is that all the diference?
A motor yacht is a powerboat offered for sale by a Broker?
__________________
BruceK
Island Gypsy 36 Europa "Doriana"
Sydney Australia
BruceK is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-03-2012, 08:00 PM   #4
Member
 
City: Palm Beach Gardens
Country: USA
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 20
There are 3 main differences (1) hull shape, motor yacht is a planing hull, trawler is semi or full displacement. I guess you could get my Marine Trader 44 to plane if you installed two jet engines and had a tanker flying over head to deliver fuel. (2) styling, smaller motor yachts usually do not have lower helms or side doors to the salon (3) engine size and fuel consumption, trawlers are more conscious of fuel economy, motor yachts more worried about getting there sooner. I was looking at a CHB 46 motor yacht when I bought the 44. One examination of the two very large Volvo engines on the 46 brought nightmares.
CLField is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-03-2012, 08:16 PM   #5
Guru
 
City: coos bay
Country: usa
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 1,203
Quote:
Originally Posted by BruceK View Post
A motor yacht is a powerboat offered for sale by a Broker?
but a trawler is also a powerboat. So is a trawler if offered by a broker then also a motor yatch?
bfloyd4445 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-03-2012, 08:30 PM   #6
Guru
 
Daddyo's Avatar


 
City: Cruising East Coast US
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Grace
Vessel Model: DeFever 48
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 2,441
Nothing and everything. Art DeFever says all of these "trawlers" are motor yachts. A trawler is a commercial fishing vessel. It's all about the boat not the terms. There are no terms police in this spectrum.
__________________
Mark Bowerman
Brokerage owner and cruiser
Esse Quam Videri
http://graceyachting.com/
Daddyo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-03-2012, 08:37 PM   #7
Guru
 
City: North Charleston, SC
Country: USA
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 4,390
Quote:
Originally Posted by Daddyo View Post
...... There are no terms police in this spectrum.
I'll be you will widh you hadn't posted that!
rwidman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-03-2012, 08:49 PM   #8
Guru
 
djmarchand's Avatar
 
City: East Greenwich, RI
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Bella
Vessel Model: Mainship Pilot 34
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 2,883
Quote:
Originally Posted by Daddyo View Post
There are no terms police in this spectrum.
So true.

The term trawler has come to mean almost anything: from a blue water passagemaker like the Nordhavn to a multi thousand horsepower Eastbay.

The same with motoryacht. It can mean any boat propelled primarily with an engine.

Grand Banks, who most of us would consider a trawler, had a model they called a motoryacht.

David
djmarchand is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 12-03-2012, 09:01 PM   #9
Senior Member
 
City: EC FL
Country: USA
Join Date: Nov 2012
Posts: 171
Quote:
Originally Posted by Daddyo View Post
Nothing and everything. Art DeFever says all of these "trawlers" are motor yachts. A trawler is a commercial fishing vessel. It's all about the boat not the terms. There are no terms police in this spectrum.

Mr. DeFever told me exactly that in a phone conversation last year. Said he had started out drawing trawlers, but soon realized that the money was in drawing motor yachts.

Mike
Sceptic is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-03-2012, 09:17 PM   #10
Master and Commander
 
markpierce's Avatar
 
City: Vallejo CA
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Carquinez Coot
Vessel Model: 2011 Seahorse Marine Coot hull #6
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 10,265
A true trawler fishing with a net dragged astern:



A true recreational trawler, thus unable to exceed hull speed and has full living accommodations, relatively good fuel efficiency, and substantial/long range:



A sedan cruiser (with full living accommodations) capable of higher speed which some people consider to be the oxymoron "fast trawler." Here at "trawler" speeds:



__________________
Kar-KEEN-ez Koot
markpierce is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-03-2012, 10:26 PM   #11
Guru
 
Northern Spy's Avatar
 
City: Powell River, BC
Country: Canada
Vessel Name: Northern Spy
Vessel Model: Nordic Tug 26
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 2,672
I suspect the only way that my boat would turn into a yacht would be in a court if my wife divorces me and her lawyer finds out I own a boat.
Northern Spy is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 12-03-2012, 11:06 PM   #12
Scraping Paint
 
City: -
Country: -
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 13,748
Quote:
Originally Posted by djmarchand View Post
Grand Banks, who most of us would consider a trawler, had a model they called a motoryacht.

David

American Marine (Grand Banks) itself did not consider their boats to be trawlers. Their official term for their boats is Diesel Cruiser and for ages their company slogan was "Dependable Diesel Cruisers."

The Motoryacht is the name they gave to a specific configuration of boat. The Motoryacht is the same as the Classic (the official name of the original tri-cabin design) but with a full-width aft cabin. So the main deck stops at the forward bulkhead of the aft cabin and you step up onto the top of the aft cabin. I believe this same basic configuration is what other boat manufacturers call a "sundeck." However the aft cabin of a GB Motoryacht is lower than the typical aft cabin of a "sundeck."

American Marine/Grand Banks offered the Motoryacht configuration in several of its models--- the GB36, GB42, and GB46. I do not believe the Motoryacht configuration was ever offered in the GB48/49 or the GB52 but I could be wrong on the GB48/49.
Marin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-03-2012, 11:12 PM   #13
Art
Guru
 
Art's Avatar
 
City: SF Bay Area
Country: USA
Vessel Model: Tollycraft 34' Tri Cabin
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 7,983
Quote:
Originally Posted by Northern Spy View Post
I suspect the only way that my boat would turn into a yacht would be in a court if my wife divorces me and her lawyer finds out I own a boat.
NS - BINGO!!

Following are picts of our relitively fast (or slow if desired) mini yacht / tri cabin cruiser / planing hull / hull speed capable / gasser /economically running / economically easy to maintain / reasonably priced / value holding / seaworthy / very comfortable / sorta trawler looking / live aboard capable / built like ABSH craft - - > Easily Recognized as a Pleasure BOAT!

That we love to play on for long periods of time!
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	Copy of Large TO Pict - 100_1412.jpg
Views:	102
Size:	103.0 KB
ID:	14469   Click image for larger version

Name:	TO in Delta Tules 100_0429.jpg
Views:	112
Size:	152.2 KB
ID:	14470   Click image for larger version

Name:	TO Pict @ Lowries Slip 3_100_1411.jpg
Views:	102
Size:	126.2 KB
ID:	14471   Click image for larger version

Name:	Ladder 100_0421.jpg
Views:	104
Size:	176.2 KB
ID:	14473   Click image for larger version

Name:	Craig, Taune, Linda Morning Coffee.jpg
Views:	117
Size:	196.5 KB
ID:	14474  

Art is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-03-2012, 11:49 PM   #14
Master and Commander
 
markpierce's Avatar
 
City: Vallejo CA
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Carquinez Coot
Vessel Model: 2011 Seahorse Marine Coot hull #6
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 10,265
Art, no doubt you have a handsome/fun yacht/boat/fast-slowtrawler.
__________________
Kar-KEEN-ez Koot
markpierce is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-03-2012, 11:51 PM   #15
Master and Commander
 
markpierce's Avatar
 
City: Vallejo CA
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Carquinez Coot
Vessel Model: 2011 Seahorse Marine Coot hull #6
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 10,265
Quote:
Originally Posted by Marin View Post
American Marine (Grand Banks) itself did not consider their boats to be trawlers. Their official term for their boats is Diesel Cruiser and for ages their company slogan was "Dependable Diesel Cruisers."
Nevertheless, qualifying to participate on the TRAWLER forum.
__________________
Kar-KEEN-ez Koot
markpierce is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-04-2012, 12:04 AM   #16
Scraping Paint
 
City: -
Country: -
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 13,748
People can call boats what they want. To me a trawler is a fishing boat that fishes with trawl gear. With just a tiny handful of exceptions the boats on this forum are all what I consider to be "cabin cruisers."

"Toy boats" is another applicable and accurate term. I think the first time I heard it was when I filmed on board the Matson RoRo ship back in the later 1970s. I asked what the seat, windshield, and intercom were for on the bow and the captain said, "We put a guy up there when we enter and leave a harbor to make sure we don't run over any toy boats." That's been my favorite term for recreational boats ever since.
Marin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-04-2012, 12:25 AM   #17
Master and Commander
 
markpierce's Avatar
 
City: Vallejo CA
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Carquinez Coot
Vessel Model: 2011 Seahorse Marine Coot hull #6
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 10,265
Quote:
Originally Posted by Marin View Post

"Toy boats" is another applicable and accurate term. ...
I dislike the term "toy boats." We're dealing with real-life, with potential/real life-threatening situations. What the heck has that got to do with "toy"? How many deaths does it take to show otherwise?

I'll accept recreational, but not toy.
__________________
Kar-KEEN-ez Koot
markpierce is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-04-2012, 12:39 AM   #18
Scraping Paint
 
City: -
Country: -
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 13,748
A skateboard puts a person in real-life, potentially real-life threatening situations, too. And it's a toy. Just like a recreational boat. It's not for work, you don't need it, you use it have fun--- the very definition of toy. The fact it can kill you is irrelevant. You could probably come up with a way to die playing with a Slinky.

I think toy boat is the perfect term. It puts us in the proper perspective with the people who make their living on or from the sea, most of whom have forgotten more about seamanship and the sea than all of us toy boaters combined will ever know.
Marin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-04-2012, 01:34 AM   #19
TF Site Team
 
Peter B's Avatar
 
City: Brisbane
Country: Australia
Vessel Name: Lotus
Vessel Model: Clipper (CHB) 34 Sedan/Europa style
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 6,670
Send a message via Skype™ to Peter B
Oh dear...here we go again.
Personally, I think of my boat as a 'trawler style' coastal cruiser. As opposed to, for example, the Nordhavns, which are what I would call, long range cruisers, apart from the 35...with little or no resemblance to trawlers really. However, some long range cruisers do have some semblance of a trawler hull shape, just to add to the mix. The Kadey Krogens perhaps. Most of the others are getting more like the motor yacht style, eg the Selenes, GB Aleutians etc.
The hull shape and speed range is the only thing most of our boats have in common with true trawlers, let's face it.
Peter B is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-04-2012, 01:54 AM   #20
Guru
 
MurrayM's Avatar
 
City: Kitimat, North Coast BC
Country: Canada
Vessel Name: Badger
Vessel Model: 30' Sundowner Tug
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 3,329
Real trollers troll for salmon;

(found photo here)
http://lighthousememories.ca/2012/04.../#.UL2eSo6jeTM
Attached Images
 
__________________

__________________
"The most interesting path between two points is not a straight line" Murray Minchin
MurrayM is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off





All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:12 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0
Copyright 2006 - 2012