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Old 12-09-2012, 02:22 PM   #141
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I didn't see how we could muddy the waters any more and then you did it. haha

I said "Heavy Cruiser". At a point in time when there seemed to be quite a

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A few Cabin Cruisers that were much heavier and slower (not to mention styled differently) than typical cruisers emerged and they started calling them Heavy Cruisers. Eventually the Trawler name started and stuck because many felt that w their Heavy Cruisers they liked the automatic label of being more seasoned, salty, knowledgable, experienced and intelligent than ORDINARY Cruiser skippers. I threw in "intelligent" just for fun. But a name for our boats that describes them (us) best is still "Heavy Cruiser".




Thanks for the pics of the BuCat. I'd post my pics w similar but for TC. See Our old Cars OTDE.
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Old 12-09-2012, 02:40 PM   #142
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Mr. Art. would that be SOB's for short? I would think that would more aptly describe the captains rather than the vessels!
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Old 12-09-2012, 06:25 PM   #143
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Perhaps he's talking about the "geared up" drive system where there is a single engine on C/L geared to twin screws in typical locations. There was an article on a Mainship 34 that had been converted some years back. Haven't heard of it since so it must have failed in the market place. Since redundancy is the main reason to have twin screws twin screws w only one engine probably made people ask "what's the point?".
Here is what it looks like installed.

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Old 12-09-2012, 06:44 PM   #144
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134 posts and still no consensus on how many "trawlers" can dance on the head of a pin?

If it's a real trawler, one. If it's a little toy plastic trawler like most of the boats on this forum, 35,253.5.

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Old 12-09-2012, 07:49 PM   #145
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cwas supposed to be single engine twin screw
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Old 12-09-2012, 07:52 PM   #146
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wow!!..what a neat idea. Wonder what the fuel consumtion is with the drag of the extra prop and rudder
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Old 12-09-2012, 07:53 PM   #147
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If it's a real trawler, one. If it's a little toy plastic trawler like most of the boats on this forum, 35,253.5.

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ah gaw on, yur just jealous cause you have a woody..right?...well the fact is woodies are much superior to plastic in many areas
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ah gaw on, yur just jealous cause you have a woody..right?...well the fact is woodies are much superior to plastic in many areas
Do you actually read the stuff on this forum? . Look at my avatar. See the "grp" after the type of boat? That stand for "glass reinforced plastic." Our GB is from the first batch of fiberglass GB36s made, with a hull layup personally supervised by Howard Abbey who you can look up in the archives if you're interested. Abbey's contribution to American Marine's Grand Banks line of boats was revolutionary to say the least. He also helped Hatteras get started in fiberglass.

I like wood boats but I would never own one.
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Do you actually read the stuff on this forum? . Look at my avatar. See the "grp" after the type of boat? That stand for "glass reinforced plastic." Our GB is from the first batch of fiberglass GB36s made, with a hull layup personally supervised by Howard Abbey who you can look up in the archives if you're interested. Abbey's contribution to American Marine's Grand Banks line of boats was revolutionary to say the least. He also helped Hatteras get started in fiberglass.

I like wood boats but I would never own one.
as a matter pf fact i do. You have on more than one occasion pointed that out to us. Just that in that particular response you sounded like you were a wooden boat owner..Hatteras is a good boat...Marin, in my opinion GB are great, non better wood or glass. ..but i have found that a guy named Poole made a few very fine sailboats that still over thirty years after his death are know for there solid quality construction. He also made the Northeaster trawlers of a DeFever design. I think they may be equal to or exceed the quality of a GB in the companies short lifetime, 1974-834

Marin, when i answer a post i am answering that particular post not analyzing the poster and formatting a reponse accordingly......geez.....gota teach some people everything
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ah gaw on, yur just jealous cause you have a woody..right?...well the fact is woodies are much superior to plastic in many areas
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Here is what it looks like installed.

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I've seen this set up in picts and articles. They accomplished a Fancy Try to imitate twins... but No Cigar - IMHO! I best like straight drive twin screw (V-drive is my second choice). With twins, when in tight areas either engine can be accelerated in whatever gear necessary to whatever rpm needed to immediately adjust boat's position or speed. Also, to move a twin screw directly sideways with no forward or reverse motion twin screw is the ticket!

Move boat sideways to port (opposite for starboard):
-Turn rudder 80% +/- starboard
-Starboard idle rpm / port approx 150 rpm higher

-Simultaneously place starboard in forward and port in reverse (once in gear adjust rpm as required - higher equivalent rpm % difference, faster the sideways motion - to a point!)

Take it slow: Gently move any boat laterally. Be careful to not get boat moving too quickly as stopping sideways motion takes considerably more rpm, shift, and steerage adjustment time than simply forward or reverse or circular rotation motion adjustments. Adjust rudder and shift/throttle controls as needed for current and wind conditions to move latterly away from dock. Practice makes perfect. I recommend practice in a completely open area... at least at first!
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Don I would have liked to have seen the post on the values of wood boats.

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Exactly and I believe they got better (lower) fuel consumption. There were also some rather obvious short comings and some unexpected (for me) advantages. I think the cost effectiveness was best for re-poweres.
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Don I would have liked to have seen the post on the values of wood boats.

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Exactly and I believe they got better (lower) fuel consumption. There were also some rather obvious short comings and some unexpected (for me) advantages. I think the cost effectiveness was best for re-poweres.
we should start a thread on the topic of wood vessel advantages.
and that was the idea to gain better fuel economy wasnt it?
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"we should start a thread on the topic of wood vessel advantages.
and that was the idea to gain better fuel economy wasnt it"

Fire away!
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"we should start a thread on the topic of wood vessel advantages.
and that was the idea to gain better fuel economy wasnt it"

Fire away!
done deal i started the thread
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Don I would have liked to have seen the post on the values of wood boats..
Not on your life, Eric. I said it was inappropriate. They would run me out of here.
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Old 12-10-2012, 02:18 AM   #157
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This weekend just passed, we took our Lotus out for an overnighter. Wow, how did we let it get so long. Anyway, pleasant as it was, I fished, and fished, and fished. I trolled, (instead of trawled), I used lures..I jigged...I popped..nothing. However, and I still don't know how, all I caught was somehow one line got tangled in the blades of my AirBreeze wind turbine genny, and I had to cut it free. Not when I cast it, no - it had been out a while and in a rod holder, that's the amazing part, how the line got up there round the blades I'll never know - maybe a seagull...? No trawler had worse luck fishing than mine, so I tell people who ask, "I have a trawler style coastal cruiser, but we don't go up the coast much, we stay in the bay, so if you like you could call it Bay Cruiser."
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ah gaw on, yur just jealous cause you have a woody..right?
Pretty hard to misinterpret that. If you meant somethiing else I missed it because my crystal ball's in the shop this week. Next time write what you mean, not what you think we'll think you think we think you think you mean.
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Marin, that's just plain circuitous, that is...
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