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Old 09-04-2016, 02:12 PM   #41
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............. We don't want to see this in the marinas. Could you imagine if you had to pay $600 to park your boat in the marina for a few hours for lunch? Or get hit with $8 gas with few other options around. and worse yet, you don't get any kind of service.

The problem in boating and aviation is that there is often not enough choice to get where we want to go... there may only be one or two marinas in the area. I hate government intervention, but we don't need price gouging.
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We live in a land of capitalism and private enterprise. Competition and local conditions determine pricing. If I can fill my marina at $2.50 per foot, why would I choose to charge only $1.50 per foot? What would you do if you owned a marina (or any other business). Just for kicks, get on Active Captain and check the marina prices in New York City. Don't for get to check add-ons like "facility charges" in addition to the per foot rate.

Do you really want the government to start telling private businesses what they are allowed to charge? Really?

If the government comes to me and tells me I can only charge $1.50 per foot and I can't make a profit on my investment at that rate, I'll sell it to someone who will build condos. Then where will you park your boat?
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Old 09-04-2016, 09:56 PM   #42
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We live in a land of capitalism and private enterprise. Competition and local conditions determine pricing. If I can fill my marina at $2.50 per foot, why would I choose to charge only $1.50 per foot? What would you do if you owned a marina (or any other business). Just for kicks, get on Active Captain and check the marina prices in New York City. Don't for get to check add-ons like "facility charges" in addition to the per foot rate.

Do you really want the government to start telling private businesses what they are allowed to charge? Really?

If the government comes to me and tells me I can only charge $1.50 per foot and I can't make a profit on my investment at that rate, I'll sell it to someone who will build condos. Then where will you park your boat?
WesK,

Excellent point, and I'm all for free enterprise. There's a few issues where our government should be there to protect us. And, I'm NOT a socialist and NOT for big government.

When someone has control over our access to open lands, cities, waterways and other public places, when is enough enough.

Suppose you own the marina in town and decide that you can get $5 a foot, and every other marine decides the same. But every other marina in the state is charging $1 and doing quite well. In your town you can't dock unless you pay the price.

Now, you and the other marinas decide that you're now going to charge $50 a foot but instead of getting 20 customers a day, you get 5 who have mega yachts or money to burn. You probably make more money, with less staff, but the average boater with the 30 to 50 ft boats can't get access and they get out of boating.

Extreme? Yes, but where do we drawn the line? Reasonably access to and from our waterways. Whose responsible?

Some areas and parts of our country go nuts. New York and California are them. Just crazy. Do we want that to come to the rest of us?
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Old 09-04-2016, 10:15 PM   #43
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Were you parking a small GA plane at Boston at the corporate FBO? If so, your's probably wasn't the business they were trying to attract. They're after the corporate jets and high rollers. Their high overhead requires a steady stream of $$. 35 Gallons of 100LL and clean the windshield doesn't cut it with the big boys.
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Old 09-05-2016, 07:06 AM   #44
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Not sure if they do this in the bay area, but some marinas in BC will side tie you when they are full. Then you do not have access to power, maybe water and they charge you full price!


Places like Lund will side tie you, but are set up for extra power and water. This place is always full, but the great service is what counts. Sometimes they just have to tell cruisers " We are sorry, but we are full at this time."
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Old 09-05-2016, 04:25 PM   #45
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WesK,

Excellent point, and I'm all for free enterprise. There's a few issues where our government should be there to protect us. And, I'm NOT a socialist and NOT for big government.

When someone has control over our access to open lands, cities, waterways and other public places, when is enough enough.

Suppose you own the marina in town and decide that you can get $5 a foot, and every other marine decides the same. But every other marina in the state is charging $1 and doing quite well. In your town you can't dock unless you pay the price.

Now, you and the other marinas decide that you're now going to charge $50 a foot but instead of getting 20 customers a day, you get 5 who have mega yachts or money to burn. You probably make more money, with less staff, but the average boater with the 30 to 50 ft boats can't get access and they get out of boating.

Extreme? Yes, but where do we drawn the line? Reasonably access to and from our waterways. Whose responsible?

Some areas and parts of our country go nuts. New York and California are them. Just crazy. Do we want that to come to the rest of us?
You pose a highly unlikely situation and if all the marina owners actually got together to fix prices, that would be illegal. Most likely marina owners would not all charge $50 or even $5 per foot because by charging less, they get the business. That's capitalism and free enterprise the way it's supposed to work.

You could make your argument for plumbers, electricians, grocery stores, just about anything and the answer would be the same.
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Not sure if they do this in the bay area, but some marinas in BC will side tie you when they are full. Then you do not have access to power, maybe water and they charge you full price!


Places like Lund will side tie you, but are set up for extra power and water. This place is always full, but the great service is what counts. Sometimes they just have to tell cruisers " We are sorry, but we are full at this time."

On our way back South (same day we spoke you on the radio) we stopped in Westview. They were full but got us a side tie alongside a commercial shrimper. Yeah, it would have been nice to get power, and water was a bit of a pain, but I was really glad to have a spot for the night and didn't mind having to side tie. Both the marina staff and the fisherman we were tied up to were very helpful. So for me I appreciated the opportunity to make the choice. They told me on the radio that the only thing they had available was rafting. It was my choice to take it, or to move on.
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Some areas and parts of our country go nuts. New York and California are them. Just crazy. Do we want that to come to the rest of us?
I wish Florida had California's typical dockage fees, heck even most places in NC; that kind of crazy would be good for the cruising yachtsman.
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