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Old 05-08-2012, 01:21 PM   #21
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Old 05-08-2012, 01:39 PM   #22
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Excellent responses! Thank you. There are so many I would not have even thought about without this input.
I know "Wellington" was associated with Californians for a while. Does the Wellington name by itself imply U.S. built?
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Cworthy your original post mentioned "MONK" as built in Nova Scotia. Actually a MONK could be built by many different builders in different countries as they are boats designed by Ed Monk rather than built by him.
Herte is a picture of a 40' "Monk" that was built in Taiwan that I sold around five years ago.

You are right about the import duty on boats that were not built in the USA or Canada. However if you find a boat built in Taiwan or elsewhere that has already been imported into Canada there is no addtional import duty.
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I should clarify some of the questions that have been posted.

I'm looking for a used trawler in the under $90K range probably between 35 & 42 feet. I realize this probably puts it in the 1980's market (or thereabouts.) The vessel should exhibit signs of great love and care by the PO. As the boat is destined for the North Atlantic in the role of a coastal cruiser, the lower helm is far more important than the upper (which would see occasional use). Fog and hurricanes are frequent visitors to our fair province so it needs to be sturdy and well equipped for navigation. (Not that I intend to brave some of these more challenging freaks of nature. There are times however, when we have no choice.)
I am a frequent flier with Yachtworld plus a dozen other broker's sites.
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Cworthy your original post mentioned "MONK" as built in Nova Scotia. Actually a MONK could be built by many different builders in different countries as they are boats designed by Ed Monk rather than built by him.
Herte is a picture of a 40' "Monk" that was built in Taiwan that I sold around five years ago.

You are right about the import duty on boats that were not built in the USA or Canada. However if you find a boat built in Taiwan or elsewhere that has already been imported into Canada there is no addtional import duty.
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This is why this web site is so great! And here I thought that the Monk's built in my back yard were particular to Nova Scotia! Thanks for the heads up.

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I believe you're thinking of Wellcraft. Not sure about the whole line, but the Wellcraft Californians were built in the US on the east coast - Florida, I believe. Carver also built the Californians in the eastern US for a short while, including NC.

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I'm looking for a used trawler in the under $90K range probably between 35 & 42 feet.
In addition to the "trawler" types (a term I hate but will use here since you are), don't overlook the boat made famous in your part of the world, the lobsterboat. While a working lobsterboat is not much on accommodations, there are some very nice cruising lobsterboats around. The photo below is the boat belonging to our best boating buddies, Carey and his wife of this forum. The hull is a 36' commercial lobsterboat hull but the accommodations for cruising are terrific.

While these boats are typically pretty high-powered--- Carey's boat has a 420 hp (I think) Cat in it--- they can be cruised quite economically with the extra speed available if necessary. Carey's boat is designed and powered to do about 14-15 knots all day. However for the last few years he's been running it at about 8-9 knots most of the time to conserve fuel. And it does just fine at that speed except in rough water when it is beneficial to speed up some.

I have no idea what role aesthetics play in what's important to you in a boat, nor do I know what you think looks good. But speaking strictly for myself I think most of today's "condos" as FF likes to refer to the typical, slab-sided "trawler" are supremely ugly. Good user space inside but the boats aesthetically have no appeal to me whatsoever.

But the lobsterboat is a gorgeous design as well as being very practical and seaworthy. And if a cruiser version of one is designed right, as I believe Carey's is, a recreational lobsterboat can be as pretty as the working ones.

So don't overlook what's in your own backyard. And is built there, too.
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This came from another forum. I think just some of the little guys are made in MX.

"The most efficient plant, funny enough, is the Reynosa Mexico plant, where many hulls are shared, such as the Bayliner 175, Maxum 1800MX, and Sea Ray 175BR."
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I have no idea what role aesthetics play in what's important to you in a boat, nor do I know what you think looks good. But speaking strictly for myself I think most of today's "condos" as FF likes to refer to the typical, slab-sided "trawler" are supremely ugly. Good user space inside but the boats aesthetically have no appeal to me whatsoever.

But the lobsterboat is a gorgeous design as well as being very practical and seaworthy. And if a cruiser version of one is designed right, as I believe Carey's is, a recreational lobsterboat can be as pretty as the working ones.

So don't overlook what's in your own backyard. And is built there, too.[/QUOTE]

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Thanks for the reminder about our local craft. They are very seaworthy vessels and do yeoman service for thousands of local fishermen in tough ocean conditions. The one in the photo looks like it's been nicely upgraded. Am I correct that the photo was taken at the mouth of the LeHavre River in Bridgewater, NS?
Personally, I guess the choice of boat comes down to aesthetics.... which are unique to each of us.
Thanks for your suggestions.
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No, I took the photo from our boat as we were passing the Turn Point Lighthouse on Stuart Island in the San Juan Islands in Washington State. The light marks the east side of one of the main turns in shipping channel from the Pacific through the Juan de Fuca Strait through the islands to the Strait of Georgia and on up to Vancouver, BC. Very busy shipping lane to say the least.

IIRC, Carey's hull and superstructure were made in Maine and then shipped out here for completion. Or his hull was made in Maine and shipped out here for the completion of the rest of the boat. Hopefully he'll chime in here and set us straight. He's told me who made the boat but I can't remember.

There are a couple of other lobster boats from the same manufacturer out here. One of them for sure does not have the flying bridge, and it looks very nice, too. The main cabin of Carey's boat is huge for a 36' boat--- thir boat is the "mother ship" when we cruise together as they can seat eight around their main cabin table. A big forward stateroom with a head, shower compartment, and large closet aft of that.

It's a great boat and one of my favorites in our 2000+ boat marina.
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No, I took the photo from our boat as we were passing the Turn Point Lighthouse on Stuart Island in the San Juan Islands in Washington State. The light marks the east side of one of the main turns in shipping channel from the Pacific through the Juan de Fuca Strait through the islands to the Strait of Georgia and on up to Vancouver, BC. Very busy shipping lane to say the least.

IIRC, Carey's hull and superstructure were made in Maine and then shipped out here for completion. Or his hull was made in Maine and shipped out here for the completion of the rest of the boat. Hopefully he'll chime in here and set us straight. He's told me who made the boat but I can't remember.

There are a couple of other lobster boats from the same manufacturer out here. One of them for sure does not have the flying bridge, and it looks very nice, too. The main cabin of Carey's boat is huge for a 36' boat--- thir boat is the "mother ship" when we cruise together as they can seat eight around their main cabin table. A big forward stateroom with a head, shower compartment, and large closet aft of that.

It's a great boat and one of my favorites in our 2000+ boat marina.
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At Marin's request I'll clarify a couple questions. My lobster boat was built by Flye Point Marine in Brooklin, Maine in 1990. She was layed up and roughed in at the yard in Maine and shipped to Washington State with engine and transmission installed. She is of a Spencer Lincoln design. She was then completed by a local cabinet maker/boat builder. Flye Point later sold to Atlantic Boat Company, which still sells an occasional hull off of that mold. They are primarily involved in building the Duffy designs which most of us in the lobster boat world know very well.
Marin was right in saying it's powered by a 420 hp Caterpillar six cylinder (3126). As much as I love our boat, I will say lobster boats are not for everyone. You have to love them enough to give up the space that they don't have as a result of the low shear line. This sedan version has only one stateroom in the 36' size. If you need a second stateroom, there are a few tri-cabins built by various manufacturers in your neighborhood.
Finally, I will add that for me, the combination of handling, speed and ability to run slow as well, makes it the ideal boat for me. But they truly aren't for everyone.
Good luck on your search.
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This came from another forum. I think just some of the little guys are made in MX.

"The most efficient plant, funny enough, is the Reynosa Mexico plant, where many hulls are shared, such as the Bayliner 175, Maxum 1800MX, and Sea Ray 175BR."
Interesting...

Lots of stuff is being built in Reynosa. I didn't know about the Bayliners though.

Most of the product for my business comes out of Reynosa. I have a warehouse in Mcallen, in the Foreign Trade Zone.
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Atlantic Boat is in Brooklin, Maine, just down the road aways from me. The self styled "Boatbuilding Capital of the World". Many of the Duffy boats they build are Spencer Lincoln designs. Spencer is a wacky local character who certainly designs nice boats. The Zimmerman Z31 and Z38 are his designs as well.
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Check out Samson Enterprises out of Arichat, Nova Scotia (samsonboats.com). I mention them because we have a 38' Samson rigged for tuna at our boat yard, and I was on a 42' Samson last year built for a cruising couple. Rugged and heavily built, they have a range of offshore commercial and pleasure boats, kits or finished. There's probably a bunch of lobster and fishing Samson's up there looking for some TLC. As with most other builders who market hull kits, like Atlantic Boat's Duffy, there's probably some unfinished dreams hanging out in some back yards or barns.

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Don't forget the Sabrelines either. And Legacy makes/made some really interesting full displacement trawlers.
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Don't forget the Sabrelines either. And Legacy makes/made some really interesting full displacement trawlers.
Another great American vessel!!
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I believe that all Fales (Willard copy) were made in the Pearson yard in Rhode Island.
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