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Old 06-16-2014, 11:21 PM   #121
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How much sail is a "trawler" allowed to have? I might be on the borderline. Maybe my pilothouse with wannabe windows allows me to sneak into the trawler camp.

I often classify my boat as a motorsailer, but the definition of that term is argued almost as much as trawler. On some sailing forums, sometimes the kids don't want to play with me. Its tough being a half-breed. I know how the fast-trawlers feel.
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Old 06-16-2014, 11:26 PM   #122
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"... epic drift here... "

Drifting - Whole Other Thread!
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Old 06-16-2014, 11:53 PM   #123
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How much sail is a "trawler" allowed to have? I might be on the borderline. Maybe my pilothouse with wannabe windows allows me to sneak into the trawler camp.

I often classify my boat as a motorsailer, but the definition of that term is argued almost as much as trawler. On some sailing forums, sometimes the kids don't want to play with me. Its tough being a half-breed. I know how the fast-trawlers feel.
Not a motorsailer, but rather a sail-assisted motorboat (motorboat hull, sails too small):



AusCan, your boat appears to be a motorsailer leaning toward a motorboat. Does your hull liken a sailboat?
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Old 06-17-2014, 12:12 AM   #124
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Mark - you are all-trawler. No

My hull is full displacement, soft chine, canoe stern, sort of similar shape to a mini-Willard 40. A little wider than most sailboats, but much rollier (without sails) than most power boats.
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I consider it a (recreational) trawler within the Chapman definition, but it is hard-chimed with a square stern (like most fishing trawlers.) Note upward sweep of hull bottom toward the stern. You won't see that with semi- or full-planing hulls.



Yours is much a motorsailer.

PS. My boat seems to roll as much as sailboats at an anchorage.
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I often classify my boat as a motorsailer

If sailboats are called yachts down under wouldn't your boat be a motor yacht?
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Old 06-17-2014, 01:42 AM   #127
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Realizing that we're in epic drift here, I'll just say: 'Vette? Mustang? Jag? All toys!

0 to 100 Mph and stop in 13.8 seconds! Not many cars could do that in 1965.

If it was in a drift the front wheels would not be turning in.
I`m no great fan of the US sportscar, with some exceptions, but big plus, you only need one, unlike the Jag,"one to drive, one in the shop".
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Old 06-17-2014, 02:41 AM   #128
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If sailboats are called yachts down under wouldn't your boat be a motor yacht?
Craig - I think I'll just call it a boat.

Bruce - I'm with you on that one. The Ford GT is my all time favourite American car.
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If it was in a drift the front wheels would not be turning in.
I`m no great fan of the US sportscar, with some exceptions, but big plus, you only need one, unlike the Jag,"one to drive, one in the shop".
Plus, to run an old Jag, an advanced degree in electronics helps.

However to own a 3.8 you would die a happy man. (although they did fib a bit about the top speed, it didn't quite do the 150 mph advertised)
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Old 06-17-2014, 03:54 AM   #130
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Another way to define "trawler" is to take away elements of the boat that you think make it a trawler and reconsider.

Older GB and NT are about as trawler as one can get.

Change them to gasoline power. Still a trawler? Yup.

Make them not fuel efficient. Still a trawler? Yup.

Make them fast. Still a trawler Yup.

Make them not seaworthy. Still a trawler? Yup.

Make it light. Still a trawler? Yup.

Make them look like something else. Still a trawler? NOPE.

Put a NT cabin on a Cruiser. Is it a trawler? Ask most anybody and they'd say it's a trawler.

The one thing that is essential to being a trawler is how the boat looks. Everything else is just details to talk about on TF.
Wow...Eric, we are in agreement..! See my post 87. Admittedly you said it quicker, but essentially we are sayin' the same thing…it's how it looks, and nothing else...
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AHA! You've all fallen into the clever trap I laid in post #106 although I think Mr. AC picked up on it quite properly by stating: "...but the definition of that term is argued almost as much as..." Do y'all see where I'm coming from? Trawler? Sports car?
Mr. A. Advanced degree in electronics? Not at all. All the wires are black (burnt) and they don't work. Oh, and the beer is warm because Lucas made the refrigerators.
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Ah yes, Lucas was the prince of darkness. I had an early 70s vette that had the fiber optic light indicators. Each head and tail light had a fiber optic cable coming from it to the dash. It was interesting and worked fine. And yes without some tweaking and aftermarket help the early vetts didnt handle that great. But what racing enthusiast wouldnt do that anyway. Mark, your stern and bottom profile is very similar to the big shrimp trawlers we see here.
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Old 06-17-2014, 07:59 AM   #133
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YES - The most beautiful kind too!

Thank you Art.

Considering the name of this site, these threads always make me chuckle.
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Ms. S. Indeed a beautiful boat AND a magnificent name.
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Quote "Trawling is more likely to be associated with commercial fishing and a large catch, so I would guess this would equally imply harder work than trolling"

So if Trawling means hard work, my boat was a trawler vessel, is slowly becoming a trolling vessel and when all work is done, will be a pleasure vessel....
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I do think you guys are on to something with sports car analogy. People see a sleek low slung car and think it mist be fast and have good handling. The E type certainly looked the part but followed the British tradition of the time by running occasionally. My 1954 Corvette certainly looked the part and had lots of sports car features except it was a 1954 Chevy underneath all that glitter and ran like one. I think Chevy and ford with the Mustang called their cars sports cars. perhaps they were but great handling and speed were not an automatic feature.


So it is with trawlers. Buyers think something called a trawler will have better sea keeping ability and economy that a similar size, hull shape and weight ACMY. Like the sports car buyer that just isn't so. But again and again people ascribe attributed to something based on looks. Applies equally incorrectly to other aspects of life as well.
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Old 06-17-2014, 08:59 AM   #137
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Thank you Art.

Considering the name of this site, these threads always make me chuckle.
Scott - IMHO... TF is for:

- Newbies to go WOW? (maybe, WTF!)

- Midbies to go SO? (maybe, Oh - I Knew That!)

- Oldbies to simply keep GOING! (maybe, learn a bit more too!)

The word "Trawler" has become vastly ubiquitous inside the “Yachting” err “Pleasure Boating” World. It’s current over reaching, pliable meaning for Pleasure Crafts can be applied to sooo many types of boats, and sooo many people’s desire to place a seemingly meaningful/knowledgeable term upon their boat, that over the last few decades boat company advertising guru’s have brought it to the pinnacle of instant “pleasure marine” word recognition. What seems to me not too long ago (ha ha ha), in the 50’s 60’s and even early 70’s – back in New England, the term Trawler meant ONLY a BIG Working Fishing Seagoing Boat.

None the less it is now 2014 (wtf – lol) and nomenclature “Trawler” for pleasure boats is here to stay. Being it has gained a nearly universal recognition factor in the pleasure boating world the name of this forum suits the public well!

May Trawler Forum Live On!

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Mr. Bv. YOU GOT IT! Exactly why I employed the sports car analogy in my ingenious, so easily interpreted as thread creep but all part of the plan, ruse. One can analyze and debate until the cows come home. Semantics IMO.
The majority of the posts mentioned characteristics (range, hull shape, economy etc.) which could be applied in various amounts to most any vessel, looks being the predominant feature. Pretty much the same as sports cars.
Sooooo.....In conclusion, the definitive answer is......There is no answer. Do your homework kids and get the boat that suits YOU.
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RT: You know that and understand but the sail boaters looking to go to power don't. Put V8 cats in a GB and they run in favor of old Lehmans.
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Mr. B. Well, let's hope this thread serves to "illuminate" those who are still, and I hesitate to use the word, misguided. Hey, have I got a deal for you... https://www.qray.com/
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