Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
 
Old 09-30-2016, 11:25 AM   #21
Senior Member
 
yachtbrokerguy's Avatar


 
City: Fort Lauderdale, FL
Country: USA
Vessel Model: I have keys to lots of boats...
Join Date: Jan 2011
Posts: 443
Ask the seller or the broker, "How long has the boat been on the market?" If more than a year, ask what is the history of the asking price, what reductions?
Ask if any other offers have been made. Ask if any survey and sea trials have been done and if so, why did the boat not sell after a survey. If a survey was done what items have been fixed or repaired?
__________________
Advertisement

__________________
Tucker Fallon CPYB
www.yachtbrokerguy.com
yachtbrokerguy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-30-2016, 12:43 PM   #22
Guru
 
City: gulf coast
Country: pinellas
Join Date: Jun 2014
Posts: 2,110
My red flags are:


Water stains anywhere

Dirty, rusty or oily ER

Poor engine starting, smoke or performance.

These indicate potential big problems not immediately apparent. Other stuff is usually visible. Such as bad canvas, obsolete electronics need for polish etc.
__________________

bayview is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-30-2016, 01:39 PM   #23
Guru
 
High Wire's Avatar
 
City: Englewood, FL
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Irish Lady
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 1,343
Spongy decks
Leaky windows
Excessive eXhaust smoke after warmup, blue, black, grey, or white.
Unchecked Engine oil drips.
Strong smell of diesel fuel in cabin
Extra credit for wire nuts


Here is a practice exercise: What's wrong with this picture?
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	1987FL 111.jpg
Views:	163
Size:	140.0 KB
ID:	56873  
High Wire is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 09-30-2016, 02:35 PM   #24
Guru
 
Northern Spy's Avatar
 
City: Powell River, BC
Country: Canada
Vessel Name: Northern Spy
Vessel Model: Nordic Tug 26
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 2,567
1. It's fugly. Resist buying an ugly boat. No matter what the price. You cannot fix an ugly sheer.
2. The interior is covered in knick-knacks. Probably doesn't move under its own power much. It's really a floating cabin. Systems may or may not work.
3. It stinks. Rotting wood has a distinct smell. Diesel smell may mean bad tankage. Leaky tanks would be a deal killer for me.
4. Rats nest of electrical. Builder didn't care. Owner didn't care. It is a pain and expensive to redo.
5. Corrosion. dirt, and sludge in the engine compartment. Sludge means it had it oil changed at least once though.
Northern Spy is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 09-30-2016, 03:11 PM   #25
Senior Member
 
oscar's Avatar
 
City: Bethlehem, PA
Country: United States
Vessel Name: Lady Kay V
Vessel Model: Don't know yet.....
Join Date: Oct 2015
Posts: 410
When you narrow your search down, find the owners fora of that particular boat and get to know their specific weak spots. Me, I'm lusting after the late 70's early 80's Hatteras models. I know to look for delamination in foredecks and FB deck. Other models may have leaky teaky decks, steel tanks, poor electrical systems. All model specific.

And yes, then there's the general signs. Dirty engine room, flag. No records, flag. Signs of water damage around windows, flag. Outdated emergency equipment, flag. And so on and so forth.
__________________
Currently boatless but looking. Avatar is my first boat....Holland, 1965 ish.....
oscar is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-30-2016, 03:35 PM   #26
TF Site Team
 
FlyWright's Avatar
 
City: California Delta and SF Bay
Country: Sacramento, CA, USA (boat in Vallejo)
Vessel Name: FlyWright
Vessel Model: Marshall Californian 34 LRC
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 9,742
1. Leaking decks
2. Leaking windows
3. Leaking tanks (fuel, water or holding)
4. Rare engines or engine parts (Iveco, Volvo, Hino, odd genset)
5. Ignored interior or exterior coverings (upholstry, canvas)

I bought mine as a 30 year old 'turnkey' boat, and it was truly turnkey. Everything worked as advertised when I bought her. The ongoing repairs, mods, upgrades and improvements made to a 'turnkey' boat will keep you busy for years. I can't imagine the extra work and delayed enjoyment of a boat that needs extensive work to enjoy.

Today after 10 years of ownership, she's a 40 year old vintage turnkey boat. When I turn the key, I expect everything to work. If it doesn't, it gets addressed quickly. (usually by my go-to mechanic, yours truly) After 10 years of enjoyment, the varnish needs some attention, especially my doors, but that doesn't diminish my enjoyment of the boat. When it does, I'll break out the sandpaper and varnish.

Incidentally, when I bought my 30 yr old boat, the twin Perkins 4.236 engines had 2200 hrs. Today they have almost 3300 hrs. I have little doubt that they will last another 30+ years.
__________________
Al

Custom Google Trawler Forum Search
FlyWright is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-30-2016, 06:16 PM   #27
Guru
 
O C Diver's Avatar
 
City: Fort Myers, FL... Summers in Crisfield, MD
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Slow Hand
Vessel Model: Cherubini Independence 45
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 4,502
Quote:
Originally Posted by kev_rm View Post
I'm actually already really picky about diesel brands..spent a lot of time around heavy equipment back in the day. I like Cats and Cummins. Have no idea on marine side but they are solid off the water for sure.
Add John Deere to the list. Great history on land, lots of engines on the water between JD, Lugger, Northern Lights.

Ted
__________________
Blog: mvslowhand.com
I'm tired of fast moves, I've got a slow groove, on my mind.....
I want to spend some time, Not come and go in a heated rush.....
"Slow Hand" by The Pointer Sisters
O C Diver is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 09-30-2016, 06:58 PM   #28
Guru
 
Nomad Willy's Avatar
 
City: Concrete Washington State
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Willy
Vessel Model: Willard Nomad 30'
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 13,189
Red flags worth concern on an old boat are IMO ...
Water damage (roof, decks, cabin around windows, decks or/and base hull stringers).
Old fuel tanks.
Old engine.
Blisters.
I know that's not 5 but if those four flags are green the boat's worth a look if the design is good. But if you ask here what brands are a good design everybody will say "buy one like mine". And nobody will list the faults as 90% of those owners will never be your friend again. So all the opinions on boat design will be positive and likely what you need to know won't be said.
__________________
Eric

North Western Washington State USA
Nomad Willy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-30-2016, 07:18 PM   #29
Senior Member
 
City: Wherever the boat is
Country: United States
Vessel Name: Silver Quarter
Vessel Model: Bayliner 3870
Join Date: Sep 2016
Posts: 355
Quote:
Originally Posted by High Wire View Post
Spongy decks
Leaky windows
Excessive eXhaust smoke after warmup, blue, black, grey, or white.
Unchecked Engine oil drips.
Strong smell of diesel fuel in cabin
Extra credit for wire nuts


Here is a practice exercise: What's wrong with this picture?
Ok, well, WTF is in the bilge to start with.. then two missing hose clamps, two wrong hose clamps, loose wire (?)...
kev_rm is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-30-2016, 07:20 PM   #30
Senior Member
 
City: Wherever the boat is
Country: United States
Vessel Name: Silver Quarter
Vessel Model: Bayliner 3870
Join Date: Sep 2016
Posts: 355
Quote:
Originally Posted by O C Diver View Post
Add John Deere to the list. Great history on land, lots of engines on the water between JD, Lugger, Northern Lights.

Ted
Ha funny you should mention that just did not think JD had marine applications. I Have a 1974 48hp John Deere tractor. It is the absolute best. I do nothing to it except change the oil. It starts **every** time and I run it literally at full throttle for hours a day and it never misses a beat. They are great engines.
kev_rm is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-30-2016, 07:24 PM   #31
Guru
 
boatpoker's Avatar
 
City: Port Credit
Country: Ontario
Vessel Name: DIRT FREE
Vessel Model: Benford Fantail 38
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 1,992
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nomad Willy View Post
So all the opinions on boat design will be positive and likely what you need to know won't be said.
I'll say it

Every manufacturer made crap at one time, some made nothing but crap and quality control was virtually unheard of. For the last 20 years boats have been built by accountants not boat builders and this aspect is getting worse every year.

So any good boat you come across has been made good by a conscientious owner not the builder.
__________________
If you can live with the consequences, go for it - wg
Y'am what I y'am an' thats' all that y'am - Popeye
As God is my witness, I thought turkey's could fly. Mr.C
boatpoker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-03-2016, 09:29 AM   #32
Member
 
City: San Pedro, CA
Vessel Name: Satori
Vessel Model: 34' Golden Star
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 12
Regarding Volvo engines, Is it the engines themselves (and if so, what about them), or the customer service from the company?
methridg is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-03-2016, 09:45 AM   #33
Guru
 
boatpoker's Avatar
 
City: Port Credit
Country: Ontario
Vessel Name: DIRT FREE
Vessel Model: Benford Fantail 38
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 1,992
Quote:
Originally Posted by methridg View Post
Regarding Volvo engines, Is it the engines themselves (and if so, what about them), or the customer service from the company?
I have owned a few diesels now, one of which was a Volvo TAMD60B. It was an awesome engine, virtually trouble free ..... but parts prices are just stoooopid and sold only through captive authorized dealers and factory support is non-existent. .... $140 for an air filter !!! ($13 for the one on my Perkins).

My buddy Blake bought two brand new Volvos five years ago. One of them has never worked properly and uses 15% more fuel than the other. After a few half hearted attempts by Volvo to fix it they said ..... it's out of warranty, you're on your own.

When Volvo stops making any particular model, support for that model stops the same day. I think they're business practices are unethical.
__________________
If you can live with the consequences, go for it - wg
Y'am what I y'am an' thats' all that y'am - Popeye
As God is my witness, I thought turkey's could fly. Mr.C
boatpoker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-03-2016, 09:54 AM   #34
Guru
 
Nomad Willy's Avatar
 
City: Concrete Washington State
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Willy
Vessel Model: Willard Nomad 30'
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 13,189
Poker,
There are a few so you're not the only one.
But most of us are a little sensitive to the feelings of the several to many boat owners of the specific boat about to call "crap". Most here think their boat (brand) is wonderful and will definitely feel bad or even very insulted if it is called "crap".
I actually think what you say is true but you overstate it terribly.
__________________
Eric

North Western Washington State USA
Nomad Willy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-03-2016, 09:57 AM   #35
Guru
 
boatpoker's Avatar
 
City: Port Credit
Country: Ontario
Vessel Name: DIRT FREE
Vessel Model: Benford Fantail 38
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 1,992
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nomad Willy View Post
Poker,
There are a few so you're not the only one.
But most of us are a little sensitive to the feelings of the several to many boat owners of the specific boat about to call "crap". Most here think their boat (brand) is wonderful and will definitely feel bad or even very insulted if it is called "crap".
I actually think what you say is true but you overstate it terribly.
Yeah, you may be right, my feelings have been pushed a little to the cynical side by what I've seen in 3600 surveys and 5000 inspections
__________________
If you can live with the consequences, go for it - wg
Y'am what I y'am an' thats' all that y'am - Popeye
As God is my witness, I thought turkey's could fly. Mr.C
boatpoker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-03-2016, 10:18 AM   #36
Member
 
SeadawgVB's Avatar
 
City: Tidewater, Virginia
Country: USA
Vessel Model: '95 Bayliner 1850 Capri LS
Join Date: Sep 2016
Posts: 9
Quote:
Originally Posted by kev_rm View Post
Ok, well, WTF is in the bilge to start with.. then two missing hose clamps, two wrong hose clamps, loose wire (?)...
I want to know the answer as well.

I noticed the stuff that looks like asphalt at the bottom (is that the bilge?). And those overly long hose clamps can become like knife blades!
And what is that random black hose front and center?
And something looks a little wonky at the far end of the solenoid. (spring or safety wire?)
__________________
Dave Orwig
SeadawgVB is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-03-2016, 11:59 AM   #37
Member
 
City: San Pedro, CA
Vessel Name: Satori
Vessel Model: 34' Golden Star
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 12
Quote:
Originally Posted by High Wire View Post
Here is a practice exercise: What's wrong with this picture?
I'm a trawler newbie, but my answer would be "Everything?"
__________________

methridg is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off





All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:43 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0
Copyright 2006 - 2012