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Old 04-05-2016, 07:29 PM   #21
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I kind always like the Cap't Ron approach to docking!

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Old 04-05-2016, 07:34 PM   #22
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Good strongly built dock!
Wait for the investigations. If there was time to sound the alarm there there was time to correct, if it was possible.
We had a rash of Manly ferry docking incidents here when new ferries with electronic controls with a mind of their own were introduced. One effectively beached itself on an inner harbour beach, others hit timber "catcher" structures at the end of the dock.
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Old 04-05-2016, 07:51 PM   #23
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The investigation will like the video.
The Oh S...T came 15 seconds before impact, no wind from the look of the bow pennant, speed, white water around hull. In hind sight I wonder if casualty control might have been to turn into the Dock on starboard side to try scrubbing off some speed ?
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Old 04-05-2016, 08:06 PM   #24
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Looks like windows there and with paying passengers behind them...not sure that was a viable option.


Really without having ANY idea what happened when...just realize it can happen to anyone unless this boat had a reputation for a bad captain, crew, or maintenance.
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Old 04-05-2016, 09:36 PM   #25
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"Don't EVER mention St. Augustine to me if we ever meet!"

RT, That's funny as we arrived St. Augustine today. Wind blowing 17 and current really ripping. We motored slowly through the south mooring field and dropped the hook just beyond the last moorings. A bit of rockin and rolling tonight. I'm not taking any bets on the conditions at St. Andrews Sound tomorrow. Oh well, I'll check it,out in the morning.
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Old 04-05-2016, 10:15 PM   #26
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Like many, this seems like one of those accidents that could go any direction from mechanical failure to operator incapacitation to operator error...and anything in between. Without any facts, we're left holding an empty bag of evidence. IMO, best left to the pros for the fact gathering and analysis.

Glad there were no serious injuries or worse.
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Old 04-05-2016, 10:38 PM   #27
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RT, That's funny as we arrived St. Augustine today. Wind blowing 17 and current really ripping. We motored slowly through the south mooring field and dropped the hook just beyond the last moorings. A bit of rockin and rolling tonight. I'm not taking any bets on the conditions at St. Andrews Sound tomorrow. Oh well, I'll check it,out in the morning.
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You were able to anchor between the south mooring field and the marina?

Good for you. As far as I can see they placed the south and north mooring fields so that people couldn't anchor towards the city from either.

Just an awful decision. We would go down there often for the weekend, anchor and spend money. Not so tempted any more, out of principle more than anything else.

Where are you planning on spending tomorrow? Fort George?
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Old 04-06-2016, 01:19 AM   #28
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Was at the adjacent Midway Aircraft Carrier Sunday. Damage to the concrete dock more than I expected. Of note is the amount of wake you see at the start of the video. I want to think it was mechanically caused, but having witnessed their coming and going for many years, would not be surprised at speed being a contributing factor. I have witnessed more than one episode of what I would call hot-dogging by vessels at that location. Glad there were no serious injuries, and hope that the Captain is not found culpable.
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Old 04-06-2016, 06:53 AM   #29
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St Augustine Municipal Marina has humbled more than a few operators.
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Old 04-11-2016, 02:24 PM   #30
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Back or pull into a cross current dock with severely conflicting wind...then make it sound so easy.
The only time I hit another boat, when i damaged my fashion plate, I was trying to be cautious. Too cautious it turns out.

The wind was blowing from the stern and we had to back out. I "hot dogged" it out previous times and it worked fine.

So this time, having all the confidence in the world, I figured I could go slower and be "safer".

Half way out of the slip, the wind pushed the stern around in about 10 seconds.

I love TF, I have learned so much. But too many here think there is only ONE WAY to do it. Whatever IT is.
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Old 04-11-2016, 02:41 PM   #31
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...Half way out of the slip, the wind pushed the stern around in about 10 seconds....
I still have to replace a bent dock post (2" galvanized square pipe) from last season, same scenario. Caught the dock post with the bow pulpit, creased it over like a soda straw. Happily barely a mark on the pulpit though, and thanks to a strong marina neighbor I didn't take out the salon windows of the boat next door. Just as you say, I should have been more assertive.
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Old 04-11-2016, 03:10 PM   #32
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This happened to me when entering the berth and the drive shaft fell apart. Was unable to engage the propeller to slow down. When shifting from neutral to reverse, heard a "kerplunk" when a section of the shaft dropped. Rammed the dock but no damage to steel boat or dock. Was going dead slow.

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Old 04-11-2016, 05:58 PM   #33
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Was going dead slow.
Before or after you hit the dock?
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A couple of shots from the bow mounted canon should have slowed you down, assuming it is not recoiless...
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A couple of shots from the bow mounted canon should have slowed you down, assuming it is not recoiless...
Takes about five minutes to deploy the cannon, and its mount is not set up for a bow shot.

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I kind always like the Cap't Ron approach to docking!

Show's an intimate knowledge of prop walk.
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Old 04-12-2016, 12:42 AM   #37
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The only time I hit another boat, when i damaged my fashion plate, I was trying to be cautious. Too cautious it turns out.

The wind was blowing from the stern and we had to back out. I "hot dogged" it out previous times and it worked fine.

So this time, having all the confidence in the world, I figured I could go slower and be "safer".

Half way out of the slip, the wind pushed the stern around in about 10 seconds.

I love TF, I have learned so much. But too many here think there is only ONE WAY to do it. Whatever IT is.
Every docking or departure can be different, but the longer it takes, the greater the exposure to adverse wind or current, with a greater chance of the boat going somewhere not intended. Not suggesting high speed maneuvers, just getting the job done as quickly as is safe. Though on occasions, some speed might be indicated, like in your reversing move.
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