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Old 09-23-2011, 11:11 AM   #1
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Westcoast trawler

I am thinking about buying a used monk design 2004 Westcoast trawler. It only has about 200 hours on the engine and is like new. I have been sailing for 30 years and my wife is tired of all the work. We have been cruising for 5 years and need some information about this boat. I can't seem to find much.
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Old 09-23-2011, 11:22 AM   #2
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RE: Westcoast trawler

I'm guessing this is the boat you're looking at?* Wish I could get into something like that!* Like anything, survey and maintenance/condition is everything; with it being a repo, this might be a concern.* Welcome to the forum.

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Old 09-23-2011, 12:10 PM   #3
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By the way if any of you want to go to the dark side (Sail) Larry's current boat is a stunning Island Packet40 which I have listed and would be glad to get you into.
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RE: Westcoast trawler

Larry,

Most "Monk" boats are old wood guys from the 50s and 60s. Or are you looking for a newer glass boat like Tony's Monk 36 for sale here on this forum?
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Old 09-23-2011, 02:47 PM   #5
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Hi Larry,

I have a 2006 Westcoast 46, so I should be able to answer some of your questions.* We bought our boat in '09 in Vancouver, B.C.* The boat was built by Forbes Cooper in Mission, B.C. Forbes has build around 8,000 boats.* Everything from small sail boats to 110 ft + yachts. * He built 23-24 of the Westcoast 46 until the crash of '08.*

The story on the boat is that Forbes and his production manager were poking around in Washington State and found the old Tollycraft 43 molds in a field.* They decided that if they lengthened the cockpit 3 feet it would be perfect for the boat they wanted to build.* The Tolly 43 was designed by Ed Monk, Jr. and looks a lot like some of the Ocean Alexanders that Ed designed during that period.* They were built during the early 80's.* It is 51' 6" overall, beam is 14' 6", draft is 3' 6".* It is a rounded bilge, not hard chine.* If you look at the Tolly 43 plans, you will see that the Westcoast 46 is an updated Tolly 43 with a more usable cockpit.* So, it is a late 70's/early 80's hull design built as a new boat.* I believe all of the boats have Cummins engines.* Ours is one of 2-3 single screw boats.* The rest are twin screw.*

We really like the boat and have had no structural or major system problems. It seems stoutly built.* I heard Forbes say he wasn't building a Mercedes, but a Buick with this boat.* That pretty much describes it.* It doesn't have the finish of a Selene, but the details are all pretty well thought out.

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Old 09-23-2011, 04:30 PM   #6
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RE: Westcoast trawler

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thanks I do have questions. We are planning to cruise the Bahamas. How does the boat handle in a rough sea. We will have to cross the gulf stream. There are no stablizers and it is a single engine.
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Old 09-23-2011, 05:36 PM   #7
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That is a good question and I'm not sure that I have enough rough water experience in her to answer it.* The reputation of the 43 Tolly was that it was a good "heavy weather" boat and that is what I was told about the Westcoast 46.* I've not yet been out in anything bigger than around 3-4 footers, so I don't really have any experience in a rough sea as defined by a sailor.*

On our recent trip we got out into 25 knot winds for a couple of hours.* We were headed directly into the wind and the boat felt fine.* We also had a chance to surf a little downwind and she was stable and didn't feel squirrelly.* While crossing the Strait of Georgia we took 3 footers on the beam for a couple of hours with no ill effects, but she did roll a bit.* As you can see from our avitar, we have a hardtop and acres of canvas.* We run the boat from the upper helm, all of which have an effect on the roll.* My wife can tend to get seasick with rolling but with her running the boat she felt fine.

I have some performance figures that might help in thinking about crossing.* We have a single 270 Cummins.* The boat is very fuel efficient.* In the Northwest it's hard to test speed at each rpm because you're rarely in a slack current.* I did have some slack water on this trip and got the following numbers.* At 1400 rpm we were at 8.2 knots burning 2.5 gallons/hr.* At 1600 rpm we were at 9.2 knots burning 3.6 gallons/hr and at 1800 rpm we were at 10.1 knots burning 4.8 gallons/hr.* The boat is very quiet and smooth from the upper helm at all of the speeds mentioned.* Max rpm for this engine is 2600.* I rarely exceed 2000, so I don't have any performance figures at higher rpms.* The boat isn't going to plane with one engine, so wide open you're not going to do much better than 11-12 knots. *

So, not having ever crossed the Gulf Stream I don't really know what conditions are normal.* I think the boat could take a lot, but you will roll some in beam seas.* You can probably cross a lot faster than you do in a sailboat, so you have a smaller time window for enduring rough weather.* When I get home I'll post some pictures of the boat in and out of the water.

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Old 09-24-2011, 08:43 AM   #8
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RE: Westcoast trawler

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Thanks again. When I look at the boat again, is there anything I should pay attention too. Of course I will get a survey if I get serious. It looks like the boat I am interested in is the same as yours, single Cummins engine, and both bow and stern thrusters.
I like the shallow draft, since I will cruising the Bahamas. I have looked at many boats and this boat seems to have medium quality for a coastal cruiser. We are planning to go to the Annapolis power boat show this year so will have lots of comparisons to make.
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Old 09-24-2011, 05:48 PM   #9
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Larry,

That's surprising that the boat that you're looking at is set up similar to ours.* I didn't know there was one that close to our configuration.* We have made many changes to our boat in the last two years to make it more what we wanted.* We have had no structural or mechanical problems.* We looked at many boats before we bought this one, so we had a pretty well defined idea of what we were looking for in a larger boat.* I was looking at late 80's, early 90's trawlers.* None of them fit for us.* When we first got on our Westcoast, my wife's comment was "this boat has good bones, we can make it into what we want".*

An interesting note is that every commercial person that we've had on the boat has commented about how much they like it.* The surveyor said "if I was buying a boat right now, this is a boat I would buy."* He gave it a good report, with few items to change.* Our boat is simple to maintain.* There is no outside teak, big rub rails, good stainless rails, no high gloss interior finishes, easy wiring runs, simple systems.* We love the Jatoba wood floors, they are so hard that they can be refinished easily.* Because the engine room was designed for two engines and only has one engine, it's easy to get to everything.* We've grown to like her more instead of less as we've gotten to know her.*

Now for some things I haven't liked.* The cockpit doesn't have real scuppers, only 4 drains, one in each corner.* I don't like that because I don't think a big load of water in the cockpit would drain out fast enough.* I intend to add large scuppers.* There are two additional drains down below the lazarette hatch cover.* They are too small and can get easily plugged.* Even when washing the boat if those drains are plugged you can get water into the lazarette.* I'm planning on changing those drains when I get to it.* Because they added 3' to the stern, I think the stern is a little light if the two water tanks in the lazarette aren't full.* Unlike most boats, this boat needs more weight in the stern for the best balance.* A big dingy hanging off of davits would probably help this boat, not unbalance it.* We thought the interior colors were pretty dull and ugly.* When I asked about it, I was told that Forbes Cooper had made those decisions himself, he was color blind and he chose what he thought would be most durable and not show dirt.* We have changed much of the color scheme in the interior.

This boat doesn't have a name or pedigree, so you should be able to buy it right in this market.* Though well known in B.C., even in Washington State most people don't know what it is.* The boat is also an old design for a new boat.* We like that, but I'm sure that limits the market of potential owners.* The down side to that is when reselling you'll face the same issues.* I plan on owning this boat until either the boat is finished, or I am, so I wasn't concerned about resale.*

I've attached a picture of our boat out of the water, just in case you haven't seen a picture of the boat below the waterline.

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Lyle thanks I do have questions. We are planning to cruise the Bahamas. How does the boat handle in a rough sea. We will have to cross the gulf stream. There are no stablizers and it is a single engine.
*That boat looks like a near ideal cruiser for the Bahamas.* Take it over there and enjoy.* Just make normal preparations and take normal precautions about weather, etc.
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Old 09-27-2011, 09:43 AM   #11
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RE: Westcoast trawler

There was, or still is, a Westcoast for sale here in Everett. If I was in the position, that would certainly be my next boat. Perfect for NW cruising. It has the bones of a Tolly, but with some improvements. It's had some huge price drops over the last year. Beautiful boat.
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