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Old 01-10-2011, 10:52 PM   #41
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*Hey Mark***** that visor would look very good on Coot. Maybe you could talk hustler into do'in a mod on your Coot. But he's got to have an image to work with.
I don't think so, Eric.* A visor will trap the energy of waves, resulting in the tearing off of the pilothouse roof, or worse.

No visor needed here.* Because of the forward-leaning pilothouse windows, the roof makes an effective visor.



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Old 01-11-2011, 05:10 AM   #42
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I go for forward tilting windows for two reasons:
They look right (maybe my North Sea / North Atlantic upbringing is influencing me?)
They* keep glare from the instruments off my eyes

The SAR vessel below has forward slanting front windows: NO glare *
Side windows are vertical. Glare from radar/charting system/you-name-it*
I have never taken green sea*head on her. Have done a couple of**"torpedos" at*high speed*in following sea. The bow hit the back ridge of the next wave and dug in.*The sea went completely over her and hit the open array radar. It shut down itself down because of the external force on the antenna. Powered up without problem as the water flew off.

I wish I had forward slanting windows on my own boat. I will be looking at adding some sort of brow (visor?) over the engine instruments panel*to keep the reflecting lights off the front window.
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Old 01-11-2011, 07:37 AM   #43
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** ...but I'm so intimate w Willy I can't look at the picture without thinking how strange or weird she looks. One thing I can say for sure is that I DO like the visor.
Watch it, Eric.* We are getting very close to eroticism here!

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Old 01-11-2011, 08:03 AM   #44
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** Mr. Moonstruck.* I think that's spelt eyachticism...
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** Mr. Moonstruck.* I think that's spelt eyachticism...
New word, but it works.* Thanks.

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Old 01-11-2011, 11:24 AM   #46
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r-rossow,Is that your boat in the picture and the avitar? It's so beautiful it must be a Fleming.
Awhile back we here on TF decided that the Flemings *were the most beautiful boat and as I recall they NEVER have wannabee windows.
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Old 01-11-2011, 11:32 AM   #47
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I go for forward tilting windows for two reasons:
They look right (maybe my North Sea / North Atlantic upbringing is influencing me?)
They* keep glare from the instruments off my eyes
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Well, here you go. *The boat looks great either way to me. *Of course, you can't do much with an avitar.
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I go for forward tilting windows for two reasons:
They look right (maybe my North Sea / North Atlantic upbringing is influencing me?)
They* keep glare from the instruments off my eyes
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Well, here you go. *The boat looks great either way to me.
HustlerAs much as I love the look of your boat, I am not feeling too good about the Fleming. It just doesn't fit the theme.*

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Old 01-11-2011, 12:24 PM   #49
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As much as I love the look of your boat, I am not feeling too good about the Fleming. It just doesn't fit the theme.*

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LOL. *You may be right about that, although I'm sure that Flemming could do a much better job than Photoshop. *Kind-of makes you grateful for both styles, yes?

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As much as I love the look of your boat, I am not feeling too good about the Fleming. It just doesn't fit the theme.*

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LOL. *You may be right about that, although I'm sure that Flemming could do a much better job than Photoshop. *Kind-of makes you grateful for both styles, yes?
HustlerI don't know about that. You are pretty crafty with Photoshop.*

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** A "consideration".

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Old 01-11-2011, 05:57 PM   #52
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A "consideration".
Firefly: *Never heard such subtle wisdom on windows.







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Old 01-11-2011, 06:12 PM   #53
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Hustler---

I am guessing you are not aware that a photograph remains copyrighted to the original photogrpaher forever unless the photographer agrees to a buy-out of the rights. Even if the photographer is hired to take pictures for a client, the client can negotiate exclusive use rights for a specific time period but they will never own the photo unless they negotiate a rights buy-out. And once the time period is up the photographer can sell the photo to other clients. (None of this applies to video for whatever reason).

The photo of Carey's boat you have modified was taken by me. As such, I own the copyright. As you have used the photo without the copyright holder's permission, you are subject to a use fee payable to the copyright holder. And since you did not negotiate this fee before you used the photo, the fee will be determined by the copyright holder.

Normally I would not charge you all that much, but because you have defaced Carey's boat into a butt-ugly vessel (in my opinion, which is the only one that counts here), plus misreprented my work by flipping it, the use fee for my photo is $1.5 million, or the current price of a new, fully equipped Fleming 55, whichever is greater. My attorney will be drawing up the papers for your signature later this week.

As a point of interest we got our Rocna anchor in exactly this way. A Seattle-based magazine used one of my deHavilland Beaver photos on its cover wthout my persmission. When a friend showed me the magazine I contacted the publisher, told him it was my photo, proved it, and he said they'd pay me whatever I felt was fair. So I charged them several thousand dollars for a photo I would have let them use for a few hundred had they asked me beforehand.

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A "consideration".
Firefly: *Never heard such subtle wisdom on windows.

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Good job HustlerI'm going to see if I can get Marin to help me with the necessary fiberglass work to make the conversion permanent. The only problem I see is that I'll have to find a new boating buddy, as Marin won't be seen with me.*

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Good job HustlerI'm going to see if I can get Marin to help me with the necessary fiberglass work to make the conversion permanent. The only problem I see is that I'll have to find a new boating buddy, as Marin won't be seen with me.*

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Not sure that I would ask Marin to help with that.

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Woops. *Well, I guess I'd better stop this play then. *I can only claim the ignorance of a well meaning, but perhaps too interested in other peoples boats old fuddy duddy. *I will stop Photoshop work on your superb GB immediately, and pray that you don't take the only things I have to my name (a 75 lb. Rocna and this old Mac laptop).*
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I will stop Photoshop work on your superb GB immediately, and pray that you don't take the only things I have to my name (a 75 lb. Rocna and this old Mac laptop).*
1.* There's nothing you can do in Photoshop that will make a GB look all that great no matter which way the windows slant.*

2. We have a Rocna and don't need another one (although on second thought*we WILL need a larger one for that Fleming that's coming to us).

3.* Got a new(ish) Mac, don't need another old one.

4.* Actually, Carey's boat doesn't look near as ridiculous as I think*most recreational boats do*with reverse-raked windows.* I think it's because his boat looks like a true working boat to begin with, which makes sense since it's built on a true*working lobsterboat hull.**So the reverse-rake is actually*somewhat in character for the rough-water, working*design of his boat.* However,*while I am sure there are some, I have not seen a commercial*lobsterboat in Maine or on Prince Edward Island with reverse-raked*windows.*

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r-rossow,
Is that your boat in the picture and the avitar? It's so beautiful it must be a Fleming.
Awhile back we here on TF decided that the Flemings *were the most beautiful boat and as I recall they NEVER have wannabee windows.
Eric,
I wish it was a Fleming. (Fleming 55 and 65 have been my favourite for years. The 75 looks too "stretched" to please my eye).
Met a marina staff in Northern Spain last summer*that was in insisting it was a Fleming even when I told him otherwise. That guy upped my ego!

The boat is an Ocean Alexander 50 Mk1 that*had 5 feet added to her a***by her PO a few years back. Her aft deck size has tripled making her look like a Fleming.
The powertrain was upgraded from Lehman's to Volvo Penta 63L's some 15 years back. Had 1100 hours on the clock when we took posession of her a year ago. Added 300+ hours/2500 nautical miles to her this summer bringing her from southern Portugal (200 miles west of Gibraltar) to Scandinavia.

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Just personally I must admit I have always believed in the form following function concept, and always felt forward raked windows should be de rigeur for virtually all except fast planing vessels, which is the only situation where aerodynamics are relevant, and in most vessels this is certainly not the case. Otherwise it seems the forward sloping just makes more sense all round, and I wish my boat had them. One could therefore reasonably ask, why would any displacement vessel have other than forward raked windscreens, preferably of laminated construction, which is the term I think P/F was looking for? In my experience boating, the only time I have wanted a really good view forwards and upwards is passing under bridges, and for that I definitely drive from the flybridge to be absolutely sure......
Oh, and Hustler, I officially give you permission to photshop Lotus to see what a CHB 34 with forward raked front windscreens would look like.

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