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Old 01-06-2020, 07:08 PM   #41
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Why move from beautiful cruising waters to the Columbia? We have been very happy having our GB42 in the Pudget Sound for the past 28 years. WE live in Bend Oregon but spend 2-3 months on the boat every summer between Seattle and Alaska. Still exploring the area.

Bill we just don't have that kind of concentrated time to be able to use the boat for weeks/months at a time. In addition, I am going to be using the boat in my real estate business. A large portion of my business I have in floating homes and waterfront here in Portland. What better way to showcase homes for sale and those communities around Portland than by water!
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Re home porting in WA. Just be aware, as an out of state resident, 45 days after purchase you are liable for 9% sales/use tax.
My understanding and I’ve done this twice is it is 90 days, extendable by written application to 180 days
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Old 01-06-2020, 09:17 PM   #43
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Called the department of revenue today, it's 60 and by day 61 application needs to be made. I have the form and will be ready in the event it's that long. I am hopeful watching the weather a real nice window will open.
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That sounds like a great way to use your boat. make sure the boat dosen't look too nice they buy a boat instead of the floating home. Do you sell boats as well?
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Old 01-07-2020, 09:24 AM   #45
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That sounds like a great way to use your boat. make sure the boat dosen't look too nice they buy a boat instead of the floating home. Do you sell boats as well?
I know a great broker but the interesting thing is I am contemplating selling boats too. Between my experience, back ground and net work here it would make sense.
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Bill we just don't have that kind of concentrated time to be able to use the boat for weeks/months at a time. In addition, I am going to be using the boat in my real estate business. A large portion of my business I have in floating homes and waterfront here in Portland. What better way to showcase homes for sale and those communities around Portland than by water!
Make sure you have the proper endorsements/coverages for your proposed operations of showcasing homes- this falls outside the private pleasure tenets of a marine policy, and is definitely a commercial usage.

Without the endorsements, any claim that occurs while under this usage nullifies the policy.
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Called the department of revenue today, it's 60 and by day 61 application needs to be made. I have the form and will be ready in the event it's that long. I am hopeful watching the weather a real nice window will open.
It is 60 days, extendable twice at 60 days each, application must be made in person (not online or by mail). After that you must leave the state for 180 days. Or simply take it over the Sidney, then you have 364 days.
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The boat has to leave within 45 days after purchase. Once you reenter you have 60 days total per year which can be extended.

-------------------------from WA DOR website--------
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Nonresidents of Washington may purchase vessels and take delivery in Washington without paying sales tax or use tax when the vessel is U.S. Coast Guard documented or pre-registered by the state or country where the vessel will be principally used after the sale and the vessel will be removed from Washington within 45 days of delivery.
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I am not taking delivery of the boat in Washington state. I am taking it in BC. It’s just like a ore registered boat coming into the state.
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BC to Portland

I just made that trip a couple weeks ago...I (unfortunately) have quite a bit of experience making that passage both ways this time of year. Best advice is to keep your eyes on the forecasts, be prepared to boogy...as soon as the low has passed, it will usually take a few days to build back up. Once you round Cape Disappointment, you are all good, but you REALLY have to time your bar crossing to the slacks or risk the bar being closed even on a "good" day. Not too many places to hole-up on the way...Grays Harbor and Wilapa Bay are it...
...feel free to pm me for more info, I have a dock on the Columbia at Cathlamet.
Good Luck.
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I ran down and up a while back. On the way down we did a couple 24 hr runs. Bringing the 48 up we ran harbor to harbor during the day only. 10kts 95% of the trip up.
Good luck on the way south.

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Great information being shared. Still no plan right now on when I am leaving, just watching the weather.
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Here are a few NOAA sites that can help you too:

https://www.wrh.noaa.gov/pqr/marine/BarObs.php

https://www.weather.gov/pqr/barcams


Columbia Bar at 0726: 30ft at 16 sec!!!!
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Old 01-11-2020, 09:20 AM   #54
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I am not taking delivery of the boat in Washington state. I am taking it in BC. It’s just like a ore registered boat coming into the state.
Whether you take possession in WA or BC the time limitations in WA remain the same.
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Those are frightful current conditions especially LaPush
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I just made that trip a couple weeks ago...I (unfortunately) have quite a bit of experience making that passage both ways this time of year. Best advice is to keep your eyes on the forecasts, be prepared to boogy...as soon as the low has passed, it will usually take a few days to build back up. Once you round Cape Disappointment, you are all good, but you REALLY have to time your bar crossing to the slacks or risk the bar being closed even on a "good" day. Not too many places to hole-up on the way...Grays Harbor and Wilapa Bay are it...
...feel free to pm me for more info, I have a dock on the Columbia at Cathlamet.
Good Luck.
What is your recent experience on Willapa like? I was there many years ago for 2 weeks of work in late spring and the entrance channel was no where near the charted channel. 2 weeks later on departure it had moved yet again requiring a dog leg south to find deep enough water to exit. Being an undredged channel fed by an uncontrolled river the channels and sand bars shifted with each heavy rain or wind event. Perhaps things have changed since I worked there. But based on that experience I consider it a very dangerous bar.

I note in the link ASD provides for bar reports that Willapa is not listed.
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Whether you take possession in WA or BC the time limitations in WA remain the same.
Honestly I find it to be a bit confusing but there appears to be a definite difference between residents and non-residents and the locations of purchase. As well as the time allowed to remain in the state. I believe they treat purchases in Washington but non-residences 45 days to remove. Boats entering from previous purchase are treated differently. This is to avoid people living in Washington evading taxes.

https://dor.wa.gov/doing-business/bu...nt-individuals

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https://dor.wa.gov/get-form-or-publi...s-nonresidents

Purchases of vessels in Washington by nonresidents – Sales tax chapter 82.08 RCW
Use of vessels in Washington by nonresidents – Use tax chapter 82.12 RCW

What is clear to me through reading is that Washington treats purchases in state and use differently. I believe this is because they don't want to discourage people from visiting and simulating the economy through their travel dollars. When in doubt call the Department of Revenue. I did and confirmed with them what form would need to be filled out and where it would need to be delivered in person. (No mailing allowed). The vessel was purchased out of the state of Washington, thus it is a visiting vessel which is treated under 82.12 RCW. 60 days out or deliver the permit form.
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You are correct in your assessment of where the boat was purchased, technically. Is the vessel Documented? If you are able to obtain OR registration and place it on boat while it sits in WA that would be good but not necessarily a guarantee.

But an undocumented and unregistered vessel sitting at a WA marina could be a red flag. The WA state dock walkers are not friendly towards what they view as scofflaws. They likely don't care about the weather. So your best hope is your vessel goes unnoticed for a month or two while sitting in WA.

If they notice you, you will likely be OK provided you have some sort of official window posting. But the paperwork and hassle may prove a challenge.
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It looks like you could just leave the boat in Sidney for up to 12 months, see https://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/travel-v.../menu-eng.html. I know you would like it closer to home but it might be a good alternative while you wait for a weather window to move it home in the spring.
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Old 01-11-2020, 07:35 PM   #60
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It looks like you could just leave the boat in Sidney for up to 12 months, see https://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/travel-v.../menu-eng.html. I know you would like it closer to home but it might be a good alternative while you wait for a weather window to move it home in the spring.
Now hold the phone, I'll be looking into this in more detail. Might be kind of fun to leave it there and enjoy a few times. Victoria could be fun to visit a few times waiting for the weather to change.
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