Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
 
Old 02-28-2016, 08:25 PM   #1
Guru
 
ancora's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 3,490
Useful life?

Saw an article on the new Helmsman Camano for 2016. equipped with a Hyundai Seasall diesel engine. Being unfamiliar with that engine I went on the Hyundai Seasall web page for more info. Accordin' to the data plate:
Application: Recreational
Useful Life: 1,000 hours or ten years.
Can anyone explain the short (to me) life span?
__________________
Advertisement

ancora is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-28-2016, 08:33 PM   #2
Guru
 
Steve's Avatar
 
City: Thibodaux, Louisiana
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Gumbo
Vessel Model: 2003 Monk 36
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 3,607
I'd say it must be a typo, bad translation, or advertising exec who wants to be fired.
__________________

__________________
Steve W.
http://mvgumbo.blogspot.com/
Steve is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-28-2016, 08:36 PM   #3
Guru
 
City: Melbourne, FL
Country: USA
Join Date: Dec 2014
Posts: 918
For an inboard diesel engine, that is very short, IMHO. That is similar to the old mercruiser engines cooled with raw seawater.

If it is a CRD, then they have lots more moving parts like high pressure fuel pumps, computer controlled injectors and sensors all around. A failure in nearly any part of that system means it won't run.

Are there other engine options?
stubones99 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-28-2016, 08:39 PM   #4
Enigma
 
RT Firefly's Avatar
 
City: Slicker?
Country: Bumpkin?
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 9,996
Greetings,
I've got a leaf blower that meets California emission codes for that particular tool BUT only for the first 50 hours. Still runs great but in California, it would probably be legally past it's useful life.
__________________
RTF
RT Firefly is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-28-2016, 10:54 PM   #5
Guru
 
MYTraveler's Avatar
 
City: West Coast
Country: USA
Join Date: Apr 2014
Posts: 852
yep. emissions thing.
MYTraveler is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-28-2016, 11:25 PM   #6
Guru
 
koliver's Avatar
 
City: Saltspring Island
Country: BC, canada
Vessel Name: Retreat
Vessel Model: C&L 44
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 2,173
RTF
I have a couple of carseats for the grandkids that are past their Californian best before dates. Luckily for me, on Saltspring Island they won't cause cancer.
koliver is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-28-2016, 11:29 PM   #7
THD
Guru
 
City: Seattle
Country: US
Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 1,142
Koliver-yep, they only cause cancer in Californians. I wonder if anyone is doing research as to why only Californians?
THD is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-28-2016, 11:47 PM   #8
Senior Member
 
djones44's Avatar
 
City: Salt Spring Island
Country: Canada
Vessel Name: Twilight
Vessel Model: Permaglass Sedan
Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 168
Quote:
Originally Posted by koliver View Post
RTF
I have a couple of carseats for the grandkids that are past their Californian best before dates. Luckily for me, on Saltspring Island they won't cause cancer.
Assuming they are organic seats. Could be very serious...



- Dwight
djones44 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-29-2016, 10:37 AM   #9
Guru
 
City: North Charleston, SC
Country: USA
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 4,390
Quote:
Originally Posted by ancora View Post
Saw an article on the new Helmsman Camano for 2016. equipped with a Hyundai Seasall diesel engine. Being unfamiliar with that engine I went on the Hyundai Seasall web page for more info. Accordin' to the data plate:
Application: Recreational
Useful Life: 1,000 hours or ten years.
Can anyone explain the short (to me) life span?
You're only going to get an accurate answer from the manufacturer of the engine. That is indeed very short. And "years" is meaningless. The number of years an engine lasts is based on how many hours per year it is run. Even "hours" would depend on how the engine is used and maintained.
rwidman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-29-2016, 11:09 AM   #10
Guru
 
ancora's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 3,490
The accordin' to their spec sheets the engine has a lot of aluminum in it, includin' aluminum heads. The block is not cast iron but some kind of graphite iron alloy. They make a big deal out of the lightness of the engine. You get a super light engine but the trade-off is a short life span?
ancora is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-29-2016, 11:02 PM   #11
Senior Member
 
porman's Avatar
 
City: Duvall, Wa
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Beach Music II
Vessel Model: 2003 Mainship 430 Trawler
Join Date: Aug 2014
Posts: 250
1000 hours? We put that on our Camano in the first 4 years. It had 1800 hours on it when we sold it. We are still averaging over 200 hours a year with our Mainship.
porman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-29-2016, 11:44 PM   #12
Art
Guru
 
Art's Avatar
 
City: SF Bay Area
Country: USA
Vessel Model: Tollycraft 34' Tri Cabin
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 7,981
Quote:
Originally Posted by RT Firefly View Post
Greetings,
I've got a leaf blower that meets California emission codes for that particular tool BUT only for the first 50 hours. Still runs great but in California, it would probably be legally past it's useful life.
Humph CA
Art is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 03-01-2016, 08:39 AM   #13
Senior Member
 
City: G
Country: usa
Join Date: Feb 2014
Posts: 142
As others have said the "useful life" reference is meaningless.
I can tell you there are countless Hyundai engines installed in commercial craft.
Hyundai's commercial product is as strong as anyone else's & they have a large range of diesel engines, I wouldnt think twice about having a commercial grade Hyundai engine in my boat but dont know how easy it might prove to fix there if required.
I dont know what Seasall is other than maybe a marketing brand for leisure craft ?? also dont know what engine you are referencing, several different Seasall series as I know. Some (the smaller engines) will no doubt be marinised versions of industrial / truck diesels, of course that isn't any different to what Cummins and others do....
BUT if its got aluminium heads etc for "lightweight" that usually goes with "high output" and other kiss of death phrases that do not normally equate with longevity.
If the block material you read about was CGI that is a superior material, you shouldn't worry about that.
stone beach is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-01-2016, 09:10 AM   #14
Guru
 
Ski in NC's Avatar
 
City: Wilmington, NC
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Louisa
Vessel Model: Custom Built 38
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 3,889
"Useful life" is a term used for emissions compliance only. Sort of like how a typical engine is used. 1000hr in 10yr is close to typical.

The "useful life" term has absolutely NOTHING to do with how long the engine will last.
Ski in NC is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 03-01-2016, 10:04 AM   #15
Art
Guru
 
Art's Avatar
 
City: SF Bay Area
Country: USA
Vessel Model: Tollycraft 34' Tri Cabin
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 7,981
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ski in NC View Post
"Useful life" is a term used for emissions compliance only. Sort of like how a typical engine is used. 1000hr in 10yr is close to typical.

The "useful life" term has absolutely NOTHING to do with how long the engine will last.
That's sort of like when a "Lifetime Guarantee" is stated for products. The lifetime referred to is not your lifetime but rather it connotes the generally premised life of the product. As an averaged effect to cover most products the words "Lifetime Guarantee" is legally described as seven years from date of purchase... unless otherwise specified in the "fine" print.

__________________

Art is online now   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off





All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:10 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0
Copyright 2006 - 2012