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Old 10-17-2010, 11:35 PM   #1
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Use of saloon roof

My trawler is under construction overseas, so I'm limited as to photographs (reference Eric's/nomadwilly's recent post).* In recent weeks my posts have included under-construction photos.* Here is one showing the aft end of the saloon deck.* Note the low rails, ladder, and hatch opening (hatch top*not*yet installed)*allowing standing entrance/exit to the stern-side exit of the saloon (saloon floor is lower than the deck).*

I agree with the builder that the saloon roof isn't a good place to*be while underway since the railing is only about knee/lower-thigh*high.* It should be good for sunning while at anchor/marina, however,*with some low-seat chairs.**

The saloon roof*could be used*for some storage while underway such as a rolled-up inflatable dinghy.* A possible dinghy, hard or soft, is to be decided.*

I can't see storing a hard dinghy up on the saloon roof.* It would be too difficult to handle over the rails.**Also, a*high crane is too "commercial" in appearance*and would subject the dinghy to greater swinging movement*since it would have to be elevated quite high.**Further, the saloon roof needs to be kept relatively clear to have a 360-degree view from the pilothouse.

Thus,*for a hard*dinghy. davits on the stern would seem to be the better solution.*

A staff to fly the national colors should be appropriate mounted on the stern saloon railing, don't you think?




Where am I going wrong?

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Old 10-18-2010, 05:11 AM   #2
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Where am I going wrong?

The question is really what waters will you mostly be in . And what happens when caught out?

A stout set of davits is probably the best and simplest way to carry a dink inshore.

Stops theft , and no breakaway loss or flooding from towing.

Also a fine place for bags of trash if you dont get to shore for a while.

The problems are two. The extension aft sometimes makes docking a problem for both visibility , or line handeling, the big problem is taking a wave in the dink.

Davits have to be really heavy duty to hold the many hundreds of pounds of water in a flooded dink.

Carried FWD on the fore deck , with a cover is not a big deal.

The crane today is a simple doubled aluminum tubing with a 12v jeep bumper winch.

Stick the crane in its socket Port or Stbd , plug in and away she goes.

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Old 10-18-2010, 03:54 PM   #3
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If you carry the dink on the roof the rear view is blocked anyway, so I added two 6 ft X 3 ft storage boxes on the each side of the salon roof. We dont have*a dirt*storage area.* *One box is to store paints, thinners, epoxies, vanish and misc hand power tools and the other stores deck/lounge chairs, dink cushions, live, vests.* Things that are not too heavy that I dont want stored inside the boat and/or bulky items.* We also have a 6 ft X 3 ft store box on the front deck for dock lines, anchor stuff and deck chairs.* I have been thinking about adding another storage box on the other side of the front deck.*

We carry the dink on the salon roof that is over the back deck* and with the storage boxes reduce the open area/space of the railings, so the area is somewhat enclosed/protected.* Makes a great place for sitting/laying out in the sun as most of the wind is blocked and a good work area**When we are way from the dock no one is allowed on the roof for safty reasons.**

Have you thought about extending*the roof over the stern deck?** We have our stern deck canvas enclosed which makes another covered usable area. **Then you could also store the dink. **
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Old 10-18-2010, 04:49 PM   #4
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RE: Use of saloon roof

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Have you thought about extending*the roof over the stern deck?** We have our stern deck canvas enclosed which makes another covered usable area. **Then you could also store the dink. **
There isn't headroom for a roof extension,*and a dink on the rear deck would block access to the saloon's stern door.* Also, the more stuff stored on the saloon roof, the less 360-degree visibility from the pilothouse.* All-around visibility from the pilothouse was one of the essential characteristics wanted for the boat.* Dink on the foredeck/forward-cabin roof would block forward visibility.* ...* *Uninflated dink at the rear of the saloon roof or inflated or hard dink on davits seem to be the only alternatives.

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Old 10-18-2010, 05:26 PM   #5
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Use of saloon roof

It looks a very similar set-up to Pioneer. We keep an inflatable on the coach-roof and have a mast and boom to hoist it, complete with outboard, although the outboard is not mounted in the*these pics.
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FF is right, there are lots of simple tubular cranes available, both hand and 12v operated, which will do the job easily. In hindsight, such a crane would be easier to use than our mast and boom - maybe an upgrade. I should have left a gap in the rails alongside the dinghy.

Re visibilty aft, we have aft windows in the pilot house and have the inflatable stored on the stbd side as the helm is on the port. We have a stern station for backing into the slip*and chasing fish!

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Old 10-18-2010, 05:45 PM   #6
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Forgot about boomless staysail rig which makes moving large objects on and off saloon roof seem*problematic.** See this other Coot ..





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Old 10-19-2010, 11:12 AM   #7
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RE: Use of saloon roof

Ya know. I have a raised pilot house or the wheel house as I call it. I have back windown with a clear view, but ya know what?
I seldom use it. I find it better to stick my head out the door. The wheel house has a door port and starboard only 2 steps to either door.
What are you looking behind you for anyway. Some go fast boat trying to pass you. if you are at sea should be lots of room.

Looking back over the salon roof I can't see the stern because of the salon roof anyway.
So I'm always poking my head out for a look see or looking out the back door so's I can see the stern. (Note to self . Rig a camera)

anyway just my 2 cents

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RE: Use of saloon roof

You could step/go up which many boats have done.* I mean the pilot house is above the roof so why not a stern roof?* Are you planning on having a mast and boom?*


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I agree seeing the stern is not used that much.* I use the radar to see/watch for boats from behind.* The only time I really look is if I am going to turn change directions, then I stick my head out the door.* I think boats should have blinkers and going astern/stopping lights?*


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Stern roof would hinder access to saloon roof and block*rearward view from pilothouse.* I'm planning a mast but the sails will be boom-less.

Will be operating in waters that at times are crowded, and boats will be moving faster than me from behind.* Need close to 360-degree visibility, but realize it will never be complete, especially for overtaking smaller craft passing to port.* I don't trust other boaters to sound proper horn signals.

I can anticipate*situations where a 90-degree turn*to port might*be accomplished by making a 270-degree turn to starboard (helmsman's position on starboard).
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Old 10-19-2010, 01:32 PM   #10
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IT may seem basic , but one can mount a mirror like a car rear view , to ease looking aft more often.
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Old 10-19-2010, 01:41 PM   #11
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** MP, I thank you for using, what I consider the proper word saloon instead of salon (PC weenie alternative) to describe the living/relaxing*area of a vessel.
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RE: Use of saloon roof

The owner of this coot has a rear-deck awning and davits carrying a soft dighy:




Notice awning needs to be near the height of the saloon-roof railing to permit headroom on the deck.*
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RE: Use of saloon roof

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The owner of this coot has a rear-deck awning and davits carrying a soft dighy:





Notice awning needs to be near the height of the saloon-roof railing to permit headroom on the deck.*
Just remember to pull the plug*if you hang it on davits.* Just three inches of water*in a dinghy with inside*demesions*of 2.5' x 5' (a pretty small dindgyn actually) adds little over 190 pounds of weight to*those davits.


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RE: Use of saloon roof

Mark,
That Coot is Very over driven. Look at the wake aft.

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I thought it was propperly "salon"? Thought we'd been through that.
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* Mr. Willie.* You call it as you wish.* I will do so as well.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/saloon
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I thought it was propperly "salon"? Thought we'd been through that.
According to Wikipedia (if you give them any credibility) a saloon is, among other things, a central room between rows of staterooms.* In other words, a saloon is a place.

A salon is actually a social*event, not a place.

So RTF*is correct--- the central or main cabin in our boats is a saloon, not a salon, although you might be able to hold a salon in it

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Old 10-19-2010, 09:29 PM   #17
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Mark,
That Coot is Very over driven. Look at the wake aft.
Perhaps that Coot has*the turbocharged, 130 hp model.

Seahorse Marine: "The John Deere 85HP (cruise speed 7 kts) is a no cost option.* The 130HP turbo model (cruise speed 8 kts) is $5,000 extra. Personally I think the turbo model makes the Coot more livelier and is actually quieter."

My answer: "No thanks."

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Old 10-20-2010, 08:46 AM   #18
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"Saloon = an elaborately decorated public apartment or hall (as a large cabin for social use of a ship's passengers)"

Not there yet:




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OK guys I give up. SALOON it is whisky or no. I thought "saloon" was like a bar or whisky serv'in tavern. *As in wild west guns and whisky. Balloon, Saskatoon, Loon, Macaroon, Coon, spoon, noon, loom and Moon all are pronounced like the wild west bar * * ...saloon * * as in saloooooooon. *Oh well. Some things are'nt the way the're supposed to be. But I will conform * * * ...while whining.*

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I know it's vogue to be green these days but your saloon has taken green to an extreme.


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And isn't a 'salon' where the admiral gets her hair done?
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