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Old 10-21-2010, 04:44 PM   #21
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RE: Use of saloon roof

I read somewhere long ago that either saloon or salon was acceptable for the main cabin of a vessel. I prefer salon, but that's me.*
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Old 10-21-2010, 06:11 PM   #22
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RE: Use of saloon roof

The original saloon was a large place on a boat for dining, meeting, etc. Bars started decorating nautically, and called themselves saloons after the boats. At some point when women became more involved in boat buying, the brokers and sales people started calling them salons. They've both been used for so long that either is acceptable, but I have a saloon on my boat.
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Old 10-22-2010, 07:15 AM   #23
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Yeah...to me a salon is where ladies go for a hairdo.
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Old 10-24-2010, 08:34 AM   #24
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RE: Use of saloon roof

Is there any reason why you have to be stuck with only knee high rails...why you can't specify they be higher?

And while I have the floor...

The last couple of posts in this discussion illustrates why the boating industry began referring to a vessel's main social cabin as a "salon" instead of by its
traditional name "saloon." The name change began showing up in marketing literature in the late 1980s, which was when the marine industry began targeting anyone with a pulse as a potential boat owner. Boat builders assumed (correctly) that the majority of Americans would not know--and obviously still don't--that drinking establishments became known as "saloons" BECAUSE that was the name for any large public room used for a specific purpose, i.e. drinking or dining, including the main social cabin on a ship.

In dictionaries published before 1990, the #1 definition of "saloon" was
"any large room or hall designed for receptions, entertainments etc,
specifically the main social cabin of a passenger ship." "A place where
alcoholic drinks are sold to be drunk on the premises" was all the way
down to the third definition. That "drinking establishment" is now the
#1 definition in current dictionaries and any reference to a saloon as
the main social cabin of a ship has been moved the bottom of the list or
no longer gets ANY mention is just further evidence of the dumbing down
of our society.

So while it once was properly and proudly a vessel's "saloon"...now,
sadly, it has correctly become her "salon."

Another sad thing...according to Chapman's, it is no longer correct to
refer to a vessel as "she"...a boat is now just an "it." To which Isay... Ohhhhh PHHHFFFFBBBTTT!
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Old 10-24-2010, 08:53 AM   #25
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Well I say to Chapman's.... Sheeeeee, it.
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Old 10-24-2010, 09:29 AM   #26
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** Headmistress, I stand corrected as to "modern" usage of salon vs. saloon-thanks,*I think, or maybe not.* As a result of your informative, yet distubing, post I shall not attempt to correct persons using the word salon*to describe the saloon but shall continue to use , what I feel, is the correct term.
** Boats no longer a SHE?????**Heresy I say!!!!!!* Surely be to goodness SOME things should be sacrosanct.
** Heck, I think I'll do the dishes in the kitchen, hang the towel up on the wall, check if there's any water in the basement, go to the toilet,*go upstairs, close the windows, go outside, sweep the floor, lock the door, step of "it" onto the patio and go for a road trip.
** Before doing so, one must examine the automobile.* Secure the bonnet and boot, check the tyres and make sure there is enough petrol.
** Now I know why Fred Flintstone had a "gay old time".....sheesh!**If Wilma Slaghoople only knew before she married him

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Old 10-24-2010, 01:41 PM   #27
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RE: Use of saloon roof

I agree w the salon thing if for no other reason than the phonetics involved dictate that oo should be pronounced as in Racoon.

And the "she" thing I see as sort-of a 17th century silly thing like wigs on judges but it would be awkward do anything different.


Well Peter B, it looks like you and the hair doing girls do go to the same place. Ha Ha
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Old 10-25-2010, 06:59 AM   #28
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RE: Use of saloon roof

Nah....I'm stickin' with saloon....I don't give a tuppeny damn what any US dictionary says, the US is not the final arbiter on the subject of English like what it is meant to be spoke, or spelled, b'gorrah.
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Old 10-25-2010, 09:46 AM   #29
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Whoa! Remember, this is a family site!

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Old 10-25-2010, 11:49 AM   #30
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RE: Use of saloon roof

I'm still waiting for an answer to my question about the subject that actually started this thread 3 pages ago:*

Mark said, "I agree with the builder that the saloon roof isn't a good place to*be while underway since the railing is only about knee/lower-thigh*high."

To which I asked if there's any reason why you have to accept knee high railings?* You're the customer (guy with checkbook)...so why can't you specify higher railings?* Or why wouldn't you want to?
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Old 10-25-2010, 12:49 PM   #31
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RE: Use of saloon roof

Peggie,Makes the boat look smaller
Peter B,
How stubborn of you.
Keith,
I'm stick'in w my older Chapman's books. They are full sized too.
Walt,
Feel free to edit and otherwise through your values around. ha ha
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Old 10-25-2010, 02:25 PM   #32
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*To which Isay... Ohhhhh PHHHFFFFBBBTTT!
Could you say that one more time I didn't get it.

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Old 10-26-2010, 05:42 AM   #33
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skipperdude wrote:HeadMistress wrote:To which Isay... Ohhhhh PHHHFFFFBBBTTT!
Could you say that one more time I didn't get it.

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Yeah, you wouldn't want to come out with that one with false teeth, eh?* Theyd be in the drink.

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Old 10-26-2010, 07:05 PM   #34
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Oh puleeeeze gentlemen!

I'm sure you're all familiar with Lauren Bacall's famous line, "You do know how to whistle...just put your lips together and blow!" Well, all you have to do to pronounce PHHHFFFFBBBTTT! is stick your tongue between your lips and THEN blow. If you've done it correctly, this should make a very rude sound that you'll notice I've actually spelled correctly. And, done correctly, it shouldn't imperil anyone's bridgework.

It used to be known as a "Bronx cheer"...I can forgive an Aussie for not knowing that...and MAYBE a Canadian...but sheesh! You'd think that SOMEBODY else in this gaggle of of aging--and also already aged--geese would have known how to pronounce it once they'd seen it writing, even if they didn't know how to spell it.
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Old 10-27-2010, 07:46 AM   #35
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No Peggy, I'm quite familiar with the Bronx Cheer, know exactly how it sounds, it's not unique to Yankieland, and I have witnessed a set of falsies hitting the deck when an edentureless person was demonstrating it - didn't get it quite right, I suspect. Hilarious entertainment tho.
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*I have witnessed a set of falsies hitting the deck - didn't get it quite right, I suspect. Hilarious entertainment tho.
You are talking teeth here are you not?

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Yup - teeth - I kid you not.

PS. As she is long gone, rest her soul, I can reveal it was my own mother.* She had dentures from her 20s - sad that.

PPS. They also had a way of sort of dropping/coming down, like the visor on a knight's helmet, when she really yawned.* It was a real motivator for me to always brush and floss, and use fluoride, I tell you.* Still gottem all.....

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From a nautical point of view it is -

Saloon

She

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That's ok...Nothing else that's been said in at least the last three pages does either!





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Mark said, "I agree with the builder that the saloon roof isn't a good place to*be while underway since the railing is only about knee/lower-thigh*high."

To which I asked if there's any reason why you have to accept knee high railings?*
People belong on the main deck or in the boat's interior.* The boat's main deck, circling the boat's circumference,*is surrounded by bulwark and railing sufficiently high to make it difficult to fall overboard.* And like Nomadwilly, I believe*high railings on the saloon roof wouldn't be esthetically pleasing.*

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