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Old 11-29-2010, 10:58 PM   #41
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Upper vs Lower Helm

Norwester, what make/model is your boat? Your radar arch/aft deck hardtop totally changes your boat- looks awesome! Picture attached of our lower helm.*

I love the "permenant" mounted chair at our lower helm- very comfortable (though not a STIDD!!), great sight lines, etc. and rotates so someone can sit there at anchor and talk with everyone in the salon. *Sight lines facing aft while at the lower helm are not great but the window right next to the helm chair opens so I can also just poke my head out the window! * *Our flybridge helm has forward facing seating for 3 and seating for 4-5 aft via free standing chairs. On the few hot days we had her in the water when we first bought her and prior to hauling out to begin our refit/move to TN, cruising from the bridge with my feet propped up= GOOD TIMES! *I would not use the lower helm as much if it did not have a solidly mounted helm chair like it does.



For comparison purposes, here is a video shot underway from our lower helm:



And here is one shot from the bridge while underway:





P.S. love the grandkids pics!


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Old 11-30-2010, 09:29 AM   #42
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Our boat is a Westcoast 46.* There were 23-24 of them made in Mission, B.C. from 2004 through 2008.* The story is that Forbes Cooper and his production manager found the molds for the 43 Tollycraft lying in a field in Washington State.* They thought that it would be perfect for their new project, but the cockpit was too small.* They lengthened the cockpit by 3 feet and built a new boat out of a 30 year old Ed Monk, Jr. design.

Our boat is not a trawler, buy an cockpit motor yacht.* However, our boat and one other are powered by a single 270B Cummins, instead of twins.* That means we don't really plane.* The boat is happiest around 7-9 knots and will get up to 12-13 knots at the top end. *

I've attached a picture of the lower helm.* I have a movable chair because of the configuration of the salon.* It's not really a good solution and I have to come up with something different.
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Old 11-30-2010, 05:07 PM   #43
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I think the useability of the fly bridge depends to a large extent on how you access it.
On an aft cabin configeration you have the first two steps on to the deckhouse over the cabin trunk then three steps up to the flybridge itself, this is quite differnt from the verticle ladders that saloon configeration boats have, they are definately more of a challenge. Of course pilot house boats have the best of both worlds.

We use the flybridge almost all the time , in fact we have only used the lower helm twice in 11 years.All you need is a good set of 'clears', warm jacket and good bottle of red.
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Old 11-30-2010, 09:32 PM   #44
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I have a friend with a WC 46 who does all of his piloting from the upper helm. Fog, big waves, rain - you name it. He is one tough Canuck.
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Old 12-01-2010, 07:05 AM   #45
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I added a helm seat, firmly attached to the floor. I made an extension*which allows it to be used tall, when driving the boat, or as a std. height seating chair. It slides back enought so if it gets really rough I can stand at the lower helm to drive. I added a strong handhold at the helm.
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Old 12-01-2010, 10:10 AM   #46
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I like your little seahorse.

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Old 12-01-2010, 10:40 AM   #47
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There is a point that has been missed in all of this discussion and that is separation from the Admiral. I do not mean this with any disrespect to any of the SO's out there. But the flybridge allows you to gt away from each other when on long trips...this is a healthy thing. You are spending DAYS couped up on this little piece of fiberglass. Getting away from each other for a few hours in such a small space is quite a luxury. I will be piloting, she would be down below reading and sleeping and having "lazy time"....all is well for both of us.

This was on the P29. Now with the Mainship we can't get away from each other. Even on Moonstruck's INCREDIBLY BEAUTIFUL flybridgeless sedan, you are still right next to each other the whole trip. Anyway, just a thought...

And I want to reiterate, this is with all dues respect to the SO's out there....inluding my wife. Looking at her is easy.......but it is nice to able to get some separation.
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Thanks SD!* As most of you know, I've had my share of boats since 1995, but for the stage of life I'm in now & the boat's normal mission, this boat suites me to a "T".

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There is a point that has been missed in all of this discussion and that is separation from the Admiral. I do not mean this with any disrespect to any of the SO's out there. But the flybridge allows you to gt away from each other when on long trips...this is a healthy thing. You are spending DAYS couped up on this little piece of fiberglass. Getting away from each other for a few hours in such a small space is quite a luxury. I will be piloting, she would be down below reading and sleeping and having "lazy time"....all is well for both of us.

This was on the P29. Now with the Mainship we can't get away from each other. Even on Moonstruck's INCREDIBLY BEAUTIFUL flybridgeless sedan, you are still right next to each other the whole trip. Anyway, just a thought...

And I want to reiterate, this is with all dues respect to the SO's out there....inluding my wife. Looking at her is easy.......but it is nice to able to get some separation.
LOL.* But if I am not up on the flybridge with him how is he going to send me to get him stuff?* Oh right, we DO have an intercom!*

I am usually sitting with him, "on watch," when he is driving and he even lets me drive sometimes.* * Maybe it is a habit from our sailing days but we like to have two people paying attention.*

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WOW! At my age I had almost completely forgotten this environment. I might have
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Baker wrote:Okay another argument for flybridges......
WOW! At my age I had almost completely forgotten this environment. I might have
to change my opinion of having a flybridge.


Yep, this is cause for some serious reconsideration.* All this while I'm still trying to figure out why I sold my Mainship.***

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Sorry, I didn't mean to cheapen the argument....I will delete....

But I will stick with my point about separation!!
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But I will stick with my point about separation!!
oh dang I think I missed something good. *LOL.*

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I am going to go out on a limb here and guess that Baker did NOT post a picture of his helm.....?
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LOL.* But if I am not up on the flybridge with him how is he going to send me to get him stuff?* Oh right, we DO have an intercom!*

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LOL?* This is serious business.* ...* There*are a lot of positive*things about having*my LTGF live in her own home.**Thus, in my situation, having two separate bridges on the boat are unnecessary because whenever we're together it's because we want to.

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* Mr. Woodsong.* Nope it wasn't a helm picture it was more of a transom shot.
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*Seahorse,

I ment the little one behind your grand Admiral.

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We looked only at boats Without a lower helm when we bought Victoria last year. Our cruising is confined to the Florida and Caribbean where we enjoy the view and especially the ability to see our way throught the 'thin waters' and coral heads that are abundant in the Bahamas. Our Bridge does have a hard top though with a full enclosure and is comfortable in pretty low temps (here in Central Florida, that's high twenties for us) with the windows closed. Plus we gained a nice wet bar where the lower helm would otherwise be!
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Yes, One must look seriously at the + & - of upper vs lower and the type of cruising one does and when.. None of these configurations will fit us all.

For us we used to kick the frozen lines free of the tie rails, push the snow off in winter. In the side seasons it was heavy rain and I had to change the old, crappy wipers to good ones. A few years we played ice breaker, thankfully, not often and the ice wasn't more than about 3/4" - 1" and i'm guessing somewhat soft. Sure made a funny noise on the hull. Never lost more than paint.

Of course we had lots of sunny, warm weather where the bridge was nice. But we had to account for our already proven willingness/foolishness to go out in crappy weather and we decided we needed a good inside steer station.

We know many folk over the years , that come the end of September, and the cold weather that the boat is essentially put to bed, particularily if they cannot get to a dock. We didn't want that.

Our previous boat was an express cruiser that had a real hardtop and side windows. ALthough cold we were dry, no dripping canvas, and we could dress for the cold. It was this boat that really decided us as winter boaters.

But if your situation is different or you have enough money/determination to add real protection on a bridge, Or don't need it, the game changes.

Just be mindfull of your intended use and choose accordingly.

I noted the comments about loose seats. That could be fixed with the installation of a floor mounted lift ring pad, a piece of 1/8" S.S. wire rope and a pelican hook to secure the thing so it cannot topple.

And good luck with your choice. The game is fun and will change regardless of what you choose.
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