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Old 12-30-2010, 12:11 PM   #21
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RE: Updated Boating Costs - December 2010

You can PM me Eric...or post here if you want...or both if you want.
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Old 12-30-2010, 12:34 PM   #22
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RE: Updated Boating Costs - December 2010

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skipperdude wroteyou still today hear people describing their weight in stones.
So how much does a stone weigh?

sort of like how long is a piece of rope?

By the way a piece of rope is half as long as twice it's length.

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SkipperFourteen pounds = 1 stone

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Old 12-30-2010, 02:04 PM   #23
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skipperdude wrote:you still today hear people describing their weight in stones.

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So how much does a stone weigh?


Carey answered that one.* But there are other similar units of measurement still in use today.

One of them is a "chain."* The length of one chain is equal to 66 feet or 22 yards.* An acre is 10 square chains.

Another is "cable."* The International length of one cable is 1/10 of a nautical mile.* The US Navy's length of one cable is 120 fathoms or 770 feet.

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Old 12-30-2010, 02:21 PM   #24
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RE: Updated Boating Costs - December 2010

John,
Marine Trader (MT) has been making a post every month or two and I'm sure he does it just to get his shingle up in our face and say "hey guys come and buy a boat from me".
He never participates and most of his posts sound like he copied some text and posted it and sat back waiting for the phone to ring. It's possible it's not true but not likely. At least two other people put up business links but they talk back and forth and make it obvious that the reason they are here is to exchange fun, experience, knowlege, comradreie ect to help oneanother make their boating experience as positive as possible. Beyond any reasonable doubt I think MT is useing us for comercial gain only. Re: some other posts on this thread it seems others feel the same way now. In the past when I've raised this issue quite a number of us supported him so I droped the issue but now I think I can say I think he should told not to use his business link. Is there a way on this forum to take a poll ? I don't think excomunication would be necessary. If he could'nt put up his link he would very soon be gone.
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Old 12-30-2010, 08:05 PM   #25
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RE: Updated Boating Costs - December 2010

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... there are other similar units of measurement still in use today.

One of them is a "chain."* The length of one chain is equal to 66 feet or 22 yards.* An acre is 10 square chains.

Another is "cable."* The International length of one cable is 1/10 of a nautical mile.* The US Navy's length of one cable is 120 fathoms or 770 feet.

Have never heard of a "chain" in maritime parlance.* A "shot" of chain is very common:* 90 feet.

In common maritime practice, a cable is 1/10 of*a mile, the US Navy*still likes to*use "yards".

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Old 12-30-2010, 09:38 PM   #26
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RE: Updated Boating Costs - December 2010

Just to stir the imperial/metric pot a bit more here is a cut and paste from Wikipedia.

Three countries have not officially adopted the International System of Units as their primary or sole system of measurement: Liberia, Myanmar and the United States.

Hmmm, could be time to change !

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RE: Updated Boating Costs - December 2010

Roger - Why?
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Old 12-30-2010, 09:55 PM   #28
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RE: Updated Boating Costs - December 2010

Tom,

It's clearly a superior system. That's why the world adopted it so quickly**** ...except stubborn us.
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Old 12-31-2010, 12:39 AM   #29
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Have never heard of a "chain" in maritime parlance.* A "shot" of chain is very common:* 90 feet.

In common maritime practice, a cable is 1/10 of*a mile, the US Navy*still likes to*use "yards".
A chain is a unit of measure used in surveying.* Hence the use of a chain to determine an acre.* I did not find any reference to using this unit of measure in a maritime environment.

The only reference I found with regards to a cable being a tenth of anything was in International use, in which it's a tenth of a nautical mile.* The US Navy use was listed as being in fathoms or feet.* No mention of yards.* But this was just one reference.

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Old 12-31-2010, 04:19 AM   #30
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It's clearly a superior system. That's why the world adopted it so quickly ...except stubborn us.


Superior system ? in what way?
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It's clearly a superior system. That's why the world adopted it so quickly ...except stubborn us.


Superior system ? in what way?
If you have to ask the question, you won't understand the answer
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Old 12-31-2010, 03:12 PM   #32
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Updated Boating Costs - December 2010

I was exposed to the metric system*in doing business*overseas. In my opinion the metric system is much easier to work with-once you are accustomed to it.
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RE: Updated Boating Costs - December 2010

In the context of boating navigation, the nautical mile is the most important measure of distance for me.* We all know it is neither based on*metric (1852 meters) or English (6080 feet) systems, but rather based on one minute of arc of latitude.
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RE: Updated Boating Costs - December 2010

Mark,
In other countries do they use kilometers or knots? I think knots. Is the knot a bastard number? Why do we use it? "based on one minute of arc of latitude."**** fine if the world was a cylinder but it's a sphere so we rarely go directly north or south. Lets start using statute miles and see if it catches on. Happy new year Mark*** ...and all!
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Old 01-01-2011, 04:10 AM   #35
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"Lets start using statute miles and see if it catches on."

Most of the US motorboat/marine motorist world already uses land miles as the dealers prefer a 18( mumble mumble) to a 15K boat at sales time.

Its also easier to not slip below 1 mpg , when the miles are little shrunken miles.
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nomadwilly wrote:fine if the world was a cylinder but it's a sphere so we rarely go directly north or south.
I realise it is early on New Year's Day but did I miss something?

Happy New Year to all on our more or less sperical planet!
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RE: Updated Boating Costs - December 2010

Yea Rick I dropped the ball a bit on that one. What I was thinking is that one can go in distance (relative to latitude) directly north or south and wherever you are a degree of latitude is the same distance but in any other direction degrees of longitude will be different so why use "one minute of arc of latitude." Perhaps I should open a book and find out just what an " of arc of latitude." is. Sorry.
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RE: Updated Boating Costs - December 2010

I have worked in metric and *British units all my life, well except for the first 12 years. Being measurement "bilingual" is just a way of life around the world. The world's measurement systems are rife with technical non metric numbers such as nautical as mentioned. How about cook books,*points on the compass, absolute 0, degrees Kelvin and light years? The list is endless.

To assume the US is backwards because we have not adopted the metric system, is backwards. The world and space really don't*revolve around metric as some would suggest. This commonality argument can transcend into languages, currencies and the*ounce of gold.*Or how about ideal body weight, religions, political parties and Apple vs Microsoft. I was living in Canada years ago when they went metric - the main rationale was to "get away" from the US, follow Britain (which voted against metric in the long run - God bless the Brits they voted against the Euro too!)*- and then came the adoption of French, eh!

Disobeying the metric Mullahs of the world is really OK, in fact it is the American way of life.
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When dealing with the metric system, I think of a kilometer*as six-tenths of a mile, a liter as a big quart, and a meter as a long yard.

I've noticed that in the U.S. military, gunnery ranges*were usually expressed in terms of yards rather than miles*or feet until recent years because of joint operations with allies where meters are used.
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Metrics is useful , since its on lots of tape measures.

IF I measure say 3ft 9 inches and 7/16 I would have to wright it down , or simply mark a tic stick.

With the metric is a simpler number to carry the length .

But I would hate to build a house with US lumber and no US ruler!
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