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Old 03-31-2011, 11:10 PM   #1
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Ugliest Trawler in the World? Nordhavn?

So I wanted to share this post with you guys about ugly boats and get your feedback on what you think are the ugliest trawlers in the world. While I like Nordhavn boats, I must say that I think they're in the running for being the ugliest.
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Old 03-31-2011, 11:37 PM   #2
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RE: Ugliest Trawler in the World? Nordhavn?

Nordhavn are both the ugliest and the prettiest, just depends on the model. Some of the new ones remind me of wedding cakes with all the layers stacked up. I think the 46 is one of the nicest production trawlers on the market, also the 76, while too big for me, it's a beautiful thing.
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RE: Ugliest Trawler in the World? Nordhavn?

I've always thought that the original 57 foot Nordhavn had nice lines whereas the rest tend to have the bull in a china shop look. Not to say that they are bad boats though.
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Nordhavns are for*my next life, unless a Diesel Duck catches me.
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RE: Ugliest Trawler in the World? Nordhavn?

With the Nordies the 47,52,55 are all ok as long as they don't have a fly bridge otherwise they look a bit on the wedding cake side.
I really like the 62 but the it's getting too big for any of the cruising I would like to do.
The difference between a 52 and a 62 is not going to make any difference out in the wild blue, they are all smallish boats.
I like the glass being further back from the bow.
But once you get where you want to go draft becomes the issue and the 62 draws over 6' a bit on the deep side.

A Salene 48 "Furthur Adventure" is in my home port marina at present and she is on her way round the globe.
She is from the USof A some where a very nice looking boat and I am a bit partial to the Salenes they don't look quite as boxy as the Nordies.

My 2 c worth.
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Old 04-01-2011, 05:02 AM   #6
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RE: Ugliest Trawler in the World? Nordhavn?

The Nord 46, 57, and 62 are great, great looking boats IMO. Even their 35 looks nice- just ridiculously overpriced for a small coastal cruiser!
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RE: Ugliest Trawler in the World? Nordhavn?

Leave the Nordies alone. I can think of a very popular Krogen that might make the list.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder!** JohnP
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Ugliest Trawler in the World? Nordhavn?

**There is a fine line between ugly and pretty , the line even gets finer between ugly and practical *or pretty and impractical.

*It is often said that the Jaguar xj something, at the time was considered by some to be the most beautiful *car in the world, however, not a great car for *picking up a weeks groceries.

**We all in our minds eye know what appeals to us, *today my favorite color is blue, yesterday it was orange, *this is an example of our changing view of what appeals to us.

*We all have a choice to decide what appeals to us at a given *point in time.*

*When it comes to music , over time our *taste may change, is this a sign of old age or maturity?

**When it comes to boats the Naval Architect is faced with almost unsurmountable problems and also the dictates of the board of directors who are faced with keeping the business going, that is profit over pleasure and pretty.

**It is not for me to choose one boat over another just because it is pretty.

**It is for me to choose a boat which is practicle and safe as far a pretty goes, ok ! Paint it * pretty pink.

*I have in the past drawn many house plans, these homes had to be *practicle and at the *same time be appealing, my clients got the best and what they deserved, it is my gift .

*You put a homesless man in a mansion and he becomes a king> ( don't debate me )

In my *opinion.

*Mozart was gifted, but not all will agree.

Oriental architecture is beautiful , but not all will agree*

*Roman architecture is magnificent, but not all will agree.

**It is all about balance or the relationship between geometrical criteria.

*We as humans find with in ourselve that *great gift to discover that magical formula,

to make that choice.

*When we build let it not be for present delight alone ,let us think that we build for ever.

*So !

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RE: Ugliest Trawler in the World? Nordhavn?

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Leave the Nordies alone. I can think of a very popular Krogen that might make the list.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder!** JohnP
*LOL, nobody ever bought a Manatee for it's stylish good*looks, but you do get used to it.

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RE: Ugliest Trawler in the World? Nordhavn?

The*question is better asked in two parts, what is the ugliest blue water trawler and the ugliest coastal cruiser. Then you get into separating form from function.

As I walked the docks the other day in our marina, I marveled at the newer 55' coastal cruisers and their good looks but lacked a level foredeck space to work when anchoring and a fine entry for entering the seas at displacement speed. Or how about Dashew's FPB designs that are likely the best blue water trawlers but look like*navy vessel. Selenes are finally coming to the party as a blue water vessel by adding tankage. Brian Calvert's older Selene 48 Tidapeh mentioned, needed deck fuel tanks to cross the Pacific.

Too many of us have been trapped into thinking the "traditional" pilot house trawler design is pretty. Copycats galore with the pilothouse way up front beating you to death in a big head sea so the salon can be longer. What a horrible use of space*too which is why Nordhavn abandoned the older 57' design for the newer 55/60' design.

Also, it is all too often about money. I not sure the owner of a Chevy volt should be knocking the looks of a Bentley.
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RE: Ugliest Trawler in the World? Nordhavn?

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Leave the Nordies alone. I can think of a very popular Krogen that might make the list.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder!** JohnP
*LOL, nobody ever bought a Manatee for it's stylish good*looks, but you do get used to it.

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*When you look at beauty as a function of useability the Manatee becomes a stunning vessel.

I can think of few better boats for calm water cruising. If we had to pick a great loop boat, the Manatee would be high up on a very short list.

The Nordhavns follow suit. *They are great looking in a very functional way.
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Old 04-01-2011, 09:56 AM   #12
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Ugliest Trawler in the World? Nordhavn?

"Beauty is in the eye of the beholder!** JohnP"


No. Beauty is about the elements of art. Line, form, visual mass, texture, softness and many other things. If something is beautiful in 1750 it will be beautiful in 2050 also. You've heard of "timless beauty"*** ...well design itself is timeless. The kind of beauty you guys are talking about is VISUAL ASSOCIATION. Think of anything you associate w words like nice, awesome, sexy, pretty and beautiful. This thing you're associating will bring warm and fuzzy and positive feelings to you. You quite likely will think this thing (if it is a thing) is beautiful having nothing (or practically nothing) to do w the elements of art. Style and the likes and tastes of people during a certain period of time or the association w the Nazi movement or a certain race of people or the products of a certain culture have NOTHING to do w beauty. In my art background I have gained just enough knowledge to know a little bit about what is beautiful and what is not. One need's an education about art and it's elements to know what is beautiful. Parade a bunch of boats or cars past a bunch of designers and artists and ask them what ones are beautiful and what ones are not and a surprising amount of agreement will result. Do the same w a group of people that know little about art and there will be far less agreement. And of course there is other beauty like a series of words or sounds. But one needs specialized knowledge to know beauty from ugly. Most people who say "beauty is in the eye of the beholder" offer that as an excuse to not knowing what their talking about hopefully without divulging that fact. But knowing and not knowing is not even close to black and white. Having said all the above I actually have not said anything bad about John. He, like most of us prpbably have average knowledge about beauty and don't really understand it. ALL of us THINK we know beauty from non but all we can do really is express likes and dislikes. And to that end I'll say the only Nordhavn that can be associated with the word beautiful is the 46. The 62 is not a bad looking boat but all the rest are unattractive. The 46 must have been designed by another NA.



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Leave the Nordies alone. I can think of a very popular Krogen that might make the list.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder!** JohnP
*LOL, nobody ever bought a Manatee for it's stylish good*looks, but you do get used to it.

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*Hmmm....I was assuming you meant the Whaleback 48.

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I know/recognize*beauty when I see it ... I think.*
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RE: Ugliest Trawler in the World? Nordhavn?

Eric, Even to my uneducated eye, I agree the Nordhavn 46*has fine looking lines.

Also I can see why you find the design appealing. Not saying anything bad about that.

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John,

It dos'nt sound like you're mad at me and I'm sure glad of that. You obviously have a good eye as you see the similarity between the N46 and the W30. Both boats could stand a little re-shaping of the stern and a more plumb stem. Both boats need a longer footprint on the water. One has 40hp the other 100. The stern of the N46 has an ugly radius line and the W30 has a hooked and abrupt stern. Ther're are many rounded sterns and it's amazing how very subtle differences in shape can go from beautiful to homely. Here is a stern that differs almost not at all (other than in size) from the W30 but is much better looking. One could say "no wonder** ..it's a Bill Gardner design". The Willard has a nice looking stern but this Gardner boat has a truly stand-out stern. Anyway the N46 is my very favorite boat so being favorably compared to the Nordy is a good thing***** ...I'd say.
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Eric,* I am so mad at you I am almost going to buy the 46 in my photo, to make you jealous.* They only want 318k,* not bad, but I don't think the Admiral will give me permission.

Maybe if I say please.** JohnP
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RE: Ugliest Trawler in the World? Nordhavn?

Guys,
You are right the old 46 is a bloody good looking and practical boat.
John P I was looking at that 46 myself last night , what a good but=y.
There is a similar older Berlin registered 46 here in our marina.
The German couple are on their 2 nd circumcision of the world on it.
They have done a couple previously in their sail boat.
I saw their boat down in Tasmania about 6 weeks ago and now they are back in Queensland , they sure get around.

I just really like the aft wheelhouse style like the 62 .
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RE: Ugliest Trawler in the World? Nordhavn?

I'm not sure there is such a thing as an ugly trawler.* For an actual trawler to have functionality requires a kind of beauty that may not match every person's ideal form, but somebody's. I don't think the same can be said for all planing hulls, especially those with 'contemporary' looks.* If my dog was as ugly as some of those, I'd shave his butt and teach him to walk backwards.
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