Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 01-12-2018, 09:07 AM   #1
Guru
 
City: Seaford Va on Poquoson River, VA
Country: United States
Vessel Name: Old Glory
Vessel Model: 1970 Egg Harbor 37 extended salon model
Join Date: Jan 2016
Posts: 2,185
two days after the winter storm marina still iced in

And I have loads of ice in the bilge still.
Some bilge pumps locked in the ice, so non functional.
I did not go there till the 6 inches of snow melted off the docks.

This is Chisman Creek in Seaford VA. Ice extends almost all the way across the creek. creek is tidal water, slightly salty, it still freezes anyway.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/srfMviIucG3uAmU82

It seems next week, more severe cold coming will get into the teens again at night. I have 2 separate bilge compartments on the boat, and the rear one is locked in ice. The forward one still has some free water mixed with ice, and one rule 3700 above the bilge water for emergency use. I really should have dried out the bilge before we got this last storm.
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	20180111_134753.jpg
Views:	85
Size:	116.3 KB
ID:	72040   Click image for larger version

Name:	20180111_134805.jpg
Views:	98
Size:	99.1 KB
ID:	72041  
__________________
Advertisement

sdowney717 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-12-2018, 09:15 AM   #2
Senior Member
 
City: Washington
Country: US
Join Date: Nov 2017
Posts: 467
Some environmentalists might frown at this suggestion, but if you can't dry your bilges completely, you can pour some RV (non-toxic) antifreeze in to mix with the water. Since it will be diluted by the bilge water, the stronger stuff would be best.

Putting this in and shower sumps and traps (if you have any) would b a good idea as well.
__________________

aboatman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-12-2018, 09:20 AM   #3
Guru
 
City: Seaford Va on Poquoson River, VA
Country: United States
Vessel Name: Old Glory
Vessel Model: 1970 Egg Harbor 37 extended salon model
Join Date: Jan 2016
Posts: 2,185
That sounds like a good idea. Pump it down first. My bilge can hold lots of water, so it might take lots of red antifreeze. Typically winters are not like this here. Last bilge freeze up this bad was in 2014. Prior to 2014, nothing that I can remember. Seems like global cooling!
sdowney717 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-12-2018, 10:18 AM   #4
Senior Member
 
City: Washington
Country: US
Join Date: Nov 2017
Posts: 467
Quote:
Originally Posted by sdowney717 View Post
That sounds like a good idea. Pump it down first. My bilge can hold lots of water, so it might take lots of red antifreeze. Typically winters are not like this here. Last bilge freeze up this bad was in 2014. Prior to 2014, nothing that I can remember. Seems like global cooling!
Yep, global warming!

I think there's a blue non-toxic antifreeze that's stronger (lower temperature protection).
aboatman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-12-2018, 11:48 AM   #5
Guru
 
swampu's Avatar


 
City: Biloxi, MS
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Cajun Rose
Vessel Model: Biloxi Lugger
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 1,344
Wow
swampu is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-12-2018, 11:57 AM   #6
GFC
Guru
 
GFC's Avatar
 
City: Tri Cities, WA
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Beachcomber
Vessel Model: Sea Ray 550 Sedan Bridge
Join Date: Nov 2012
Posts: 3,657
If you have power available near your slip, you might pick up a Kasco DeIcer pump. They work great and will keep you slip and probably the adjacent slips free of ice. You just lower it beneath the boat (after chipping a hole in the ice) and hang it from your bow rails.


The pump brings up warmer water from down below and that, combined with the movement of water beneath your boat will clear out all the ice in about 24 hours or less.






__________________
Mike and Tina
Beachcomber 1995 Sea Ray 550 Sedan Bridge
GFC is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-12-2018, 04:47 PM   #7
Guru
 
Lou_tribal's Avatar
 
City: Quebec
Country: Canada
Vessel Name: Bleuvet
Vessel Model: Custom Built
Join Date: Jan 2016
Posts: 3,516
Pour some antifreeze in yo bilge and pump some out using your bilge pump to ensure no raw water in there. There is environmental friendly antifreeze.

L
Lou_tribal is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-12-2018, 05:11 PM   #8
Guru
 
swampu's Avatar


 
City: Biloxi, MS
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Cajun Rose
Vessel Model: Biloxi Lugger
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 1,344
I would move
swampu is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-12-2018, 05:24 PM   #9
Senior Member
 
City: Saanich BC
Country: Canada
Vessel Name: Therapi
Vessel Model: 1998 Bayliner 4087
Join Date: Nov 2012
Posts: 157
Do not pour antifreeze into your bilge unless it is pink. Better suggestion if you have power use a heater such as an electric oil type as the others are not spark proof. Remember it is the bilge.
Cyclone is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-12-2018, 08:39 PM   #10
Guru
 
MurrayM's Avatar
 
City: Kitimat, North Coast BC
Country: Canada
Vessel Name: Badger
Vessel Model: 30' Sundowner Tug
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 4,826
The real danger is frozen water in hoses or equipment, and if there are any that got damaged by expanding ice, it won't be evident until they thaw. No amount of antifreeze will help in that. Don't mean to be an alarmist, just a heads up that everything may seem fine while ice is blocking a break, but the leak starts after it thaws.

Can you slowly bring the bilge area/engine room to above freezing with small heaters? Then you can do it over the weekend and be there if anything goes awry.

Up here we use heat lamps and/or small ceramic heaters with fans and thermostats to hold the cold at bay.

Wishing you good luck and warm thoughts!!!!!!
__________________
"The most interesting path between two points is not a straight line" Murray Minchin
MurrayM is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-12-2018, 09:35 PM   #11
GFC
Guru
 
GFC's Avatar
 
City: Tri Cities, WA
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Beachcomber
Vessel Model: Sea Ray 550 Sedan Bridge
Join Date: Nov 2012
Posts: 3,657
Murray, given the average hull thickness at the waterline (if there is such a thing) on todays' plastic boats, how much thickness of the ice and for how long do you think the average hull would stand up to being frozen in?
__________________
Mike and Tina
Beachcomber 1995 Sea Ray 550 Sedan Bridge
GFC is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-12-2018, 09:37 PM   #12
Guru
 
Lou_tribal's Avatar
 
City: Quebec
Country: Canada
Vessel Name: Bleuvet
Vessel Model: Custom Built
Join Date: Jan 2016
Posts: 3,516
Hull is not the issue but more your bilge pump, hoses etc that are in or full of frozen water.

L
Lou_tribal is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-12-2018, 09:45 PM   #13
Guru
 
MurrayM's Avatar
 
City: Kitimat, North Coast BC
Country: Canada
Vessel Name: Badger
Vessel Model: 30' Sundowner Tug
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 4,826
Quote:
Originally Posted by GFC View Post
Murray, given the average hull thickness at the waterline (if there is such a thing) on todays' plastic boats, how much thickness of the ice and for how long do you think the average hull would stand up to being frozen in?
Sorry, couldn't hazard a guess. Too many variables, like wind contributing to convective heat loss (which would be increased in a "draughty" boat) water movement, salinity, etc, but like Lou said, the hull isn't the issue.
__________________
"The most interesting path between two points is not a straight line" Murray Minchin
MurrayM is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-12-2018, 11:42 PM   #14
Guru
 
City: Hampton, va
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Didi Mau
Vessel Model: 2003 Ocean Alexander 456
Join Date: Jul 2015
Posts: 937
Talking Why we moved our

Quote:
Originally Posted by sdowney717 View Post
And I have loads of ice in the bilge still.
Some bilge pumps locked in the ice, so non functional.
I did not go there till the 6 inches of snow melted off the docks.

This is Chisman Creek in Seaford VA. Ice extends almost all the way across the creek. creek is tidal water, slightly salty, it still freezes anyway.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/srfMviIucG3uAmU82

It seems next week, more severe cold coming will get into the teens again at night. I have 2 separate bilge compartments on the boat, and the rear one is locked in ice. The forward one still has some free water mixed with ice, and one rule 3700 above the bilge water for emergency use. I really should have dried out the bilge before we got this last storm.
Boat from Hampton to the Bahamas this winter...
Gordon J is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-13-2018, 07:03 AM   #15
FF
Guru
 
FF's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 19,751
A boat being frozen in is no problem the hulls are strong enough.

The only hassles come in the spring , when the boat is freed from the ice by a few inches and grinds against the ice loosing boot stripe paint.

The ice at that point is usually thin enough to bust up with a boat hook.

For a liveaboard the noise below, of grinding against the ice is usually enough incentive.
FF is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-13-2018, 07:20 AM   #16
Guru
 
psneeld's Avatar
 
City: AICW
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Freedom
Vessel Model: Albin 40
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 20,016
Wood boats can get damaged along the waterline if the ice is just right and there is enough motion.

For the few winters that were bad enough when I was assistance towing, we would tow quite a few wooden boats that needed to he broken out of the ice and had been winterized to open water.
psneeld is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-14-2018, 06:41 AM   #17
FF
Guru
 
FF's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 19,751
The big fear with a woodie is the ice freezing all the calking material , including the cotton.

A bit of motion can start a couple of seams , that few on board pumps can keep up with.
FF is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-14-2018, 10:06 AM   #18
Guru
 
MYTraveler's Avatar
 
City: West Coast
Country: USA
Join Date: Apr 2014
Posts: 1,081
nvm
MYTraveler is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-14-2018, 10:34 AM   #19
Senior Member
 
City: Washington
Country: US
Join Date: Nov 2017
Posts: 467
Whatever you do, if it's a gasoline powered boat, DO NOT use anything but an ignition protected bilge heater to warm or thaw the bilge!

No lightbulbs, no heaters from Walmart or the home center. And make sure the plug is outside the bilge, not in it. A frozen boat is better than an exploded boat.

The color of the antifreeze is not important. What is important is that it is "non toxic" and this will be stated on the label.

Some examples are here and the colors vary:

https://www.westmarine.com/antifreeze
aboatman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-14-2018, 12:18 PM   #20
Guru
 
psneeld's Avatar
 
City: AICW
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Freedom
Vessel Model: Albin 40
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 20,016
people have been using the radiator style heaters for decades with never a problem I have heard about.

saying how to be careful is one thing...knowing how is a level of experience higher.
__________________

psneeld is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off





All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:12 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0
Copyright 2006 - 2012
×