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Old 03-06-2012, 05:04 PM   #21
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......the TWIC card was nothing more than a "scam" to collect $140 off a bunch of people. ......
*It is not a scam. I can not get a flight to any offshore oil and gas structure from any heliport I have been to in Tx. and La. without a TWIC. I also can not get onto any boat*or even into many ports that have travel to any oil and gas structures in the Gulf of Mexico.

My understanding of the history of the TWIC goes like this: After the 911 attacks, the DOT and other agencies including Homeland Security were trying to figure out a way to do background checks and issue some kind of ID that would in effect allow certain people access to 'secure' areas unescorted. Their first logical choice was to get everyone to get a passport.

When this idea hit the oilfield and trucking industries, they hit a snag.

A large number of*offshore oilfield workers and truckers *had either felony records or were behind in child support. This would preclude them from getting a passport. Thus .........the TWIC which does not certify that you have a history of being a nice guy, but rather you have a history that indicates that you would probably not be a danger to security. So, certain felonies are OK on your record. Murder and terrorism are not. Also illegals dont seem to be able to get past the TWIC card thing yet.*As part of the investigory*work, we had to subject ourselves to electronic fingerprinting and a DNA swab. Also, we could only pick up our card in person with a fingerprint check when we picked it up.

All things considered, I doubt the govt turned a profit on this* nor was that the intention.

After all of this went into effect on the 3rd coast, many recognizable faces from the past were noticably missing. Many were suspected illegals.


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Old 03-06-2012, 05:08 PM   #22
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DNA? First I've heard of that. Not surprising though...they want everybody's eventually.
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Old 03-06-2012, 06:16 PM   #23
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If they had everyones DNA, there would be a whole lot less unsolved crimes.
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Old 03-06-2012, 06:29 PM   #24
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......the TWIC card was nothing more than a "scam" to collect $140 off a bunch of people. ......
*It is not a scam. I can not get a flight to any offshore oil and gas structure from any heliport I have been to in Tx. and La. without a TWIC. I also can not get onto any boat*or even into many ports that have travel to any oil and gas structures in the Gulf of Mexico.


-- Edited by Tony B on Tuesday 6th of March 2012 06:07:58 PM

*My feelings that it was a scam was because I had to get one, and though I routinely moved in and out of ports, chemical plants and other facilities....it was only on the extremely odd occasion that I had to show it...and even then... half the time I had my finger over the picture and got waved through. *My card was biometric....and yet no one bought the machines to read them...the excuse was that they were too expensive.

I moved in and out of chem plants and port areas in TX, LA, MS, AL, FL and GA.... *Maybe I just look so trustworthy they didn't feel the need to check further.....

I also felt it was a scam..because I carry a CDL-A with XT endorsements, and the Fed and the states did not bother to coordinate on the data regarding the individuals...so there was duplicity in payment as the cost of the HAZMAT endorsement background check was $90+..... the total cost of my CDL was over $140...*

It may have weeded out some illegals....but for the most part...it was a money maker since the cost of an FBI check is only $12.75 and a civil/criminal records check is less than $10.00.... *what another $5.00 for the card and plastic?

You'll have to forgive my cynicism....but as one who went to chemical plants and refineries all over the country and the different seaboards and loaded and hauled 46,000 lb liquid loads of HAZMAT routinely.... I found that the amount of attention paid to the TWIC card was a joke. *Most shippers and receivers were more concerned that I had the X endorsement so that I could legally haul a tanker with HM in it. *My CDL A with the hazmat endorsement cost me pretty much the same amount, and I had to be cleared by the TSA on the hazmat endorsement...so for us the payment of the $140 was merely a hose job....because we paid twice for the same thing...except that the requirements for a hazmat endorsment exceeded the requirements for a TWIC.

Had all the state and federal certs...and had to carry a passport too. *No passport, no re-entry to the US....and I had to pay $10.75 each time...

One other reason why I say it was a money maker... I used to won a credit burea in the 90's...and for about $4.00 I could pull your life history to include legals...in about 90 seconds....and that included public records.

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Old 03-06-2012, 06:59 PM   #25
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Where do u keep your boat?

I am in Waterford Harbor Marina in Kemah
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I am in Waterford Harbor Marina in Kemah
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Presently berthed at Halifax Harbor Marina... Daytona Beach. *Almost moved out your way...but the admiral says it gets too cold there...and soon we are leaving here for points further south.....
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I thought you were on the 3rd coast.

Temps are not bad here on Galveston Bay, but souther is betterer.

My sailboat is for sale and we plan on getting a trawler and moving up to Kentucky Lake during the warmer months -*May to Oct. -*which would actually give us an extended spring and fall and then south in the winter. North in the boat, south in an RV.

Thats the plan, now we have to make it happen.

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Old 03-06-2012, 07:52 PM   #28
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DNA? First I've heard of that. Not surprising though...they want everybody's eventually.
*Keith, I got my TWIC out of Houma, La because Galveston and Houston were way backed up when I applied on the internet.

They did the mouth swab thing on me.

I remember the mouth swab thing and I believe it was for my TWIC. I can't imagine anything else I did that would take a mouth swab. I am almost positive it was the TWIC. Anyway, I am in a motel room in Houma tonite. I am going offshore in the morning. I will ask others if they did the mouth swab. Wouldnt be the first time I had a false memory.
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As I recall, the TWIC was administered by Lockheed Corp. Any profit was made by them.
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Old 03-07-2012, 04:23 AM   #30
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If they had everyones DNA, there would be a whole lot less unsolved crimes.

Not when is congress is in session.
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I use my TWIC card at airport security, I think they recognize it here in Fort Lauderdale but not other airports. I have to show them on the back of the card that it is from TSA and use it simply because I paid $132 for it.
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Old 03-07-2012, 06:58 PM   #32
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I am on a Canadian owned platform today in the Gulf of Mex. They don't require a TWIC, but if you don't have one, you must be escorted by someone that does. That means they have to be with you when you work. So as long as you are in a work crew where you will always be working with someone else that has a TWIC, then you can work.
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Tony B,
What is the Canadian equivalent.
I assume it is what we have in Aus and called a MSIC card.
Maritime Security Identification Card.
You can't get on a vessel, wharf etc with out one or if the same as you have mentioned, you have to be accompianied by a card carrying crew member.
It appears the same in Aus, coat about $150.00 , you have to have a valid reason to apply for one and they take ages to issue.
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I use my TWIC card at airport security, I think they recognize it here in Fort Lauderdale but not other airports.
FLL was one of the last ones to accept it without comment. I had some great fun using it there for the first couple of years, they had to call a supervisor every time.

What is really amazing and very much to the point of how absurd the whole thing is, Port Everglades will not even look at a TWIC, they only accept a driver's license.

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*I have no idea.

This is in U.S. territory in the Gulf of Mexico, so they have to follow U.S. laws.

Keep in mind guys that just because you are entering a port does not mean that you are in a 'secure' area of it so the TWIC requirement does not always apply. Example: I can get into an Airport/*Heliport without a TWIC card, I just cant get onto a helicopter flying to a secure area.
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