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Old 06-19-2012, 01:07 PM   #1
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The wife and I are exploring the idea of living aboard in a few months.We currently have a Hunter sailboat.We are not in a huge hurry to purchase.We really want this to be our last purchase of boats.So we will take it slow.We want to be able to go from Texas to caribbean.Weather permitting,of course.I like the idea of steel.My question is will this style of boat make these trips.Before I drive over to see it.I realize it has a deep draft for the caribbean.This boat seems like a fair enough price to allow for many upgrades.I really like that style.I welcome all advice.
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Old 06-19-2012, 02:00 PM   #2
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She looks good to me from here but that is a lot of draft. Is she a shrimper conversion?
I have never cruised the Caribbean maybe you could ask around in the sail boat forums there are lots of them down there.
I see the Genset is supplied by M&L out of Houma La. where I keep my Monk.
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Old 06-19-2012, 02:16 PM   #3
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Greetings,
Welcome aboard Mr. Spraygun. Of course that sort of boat can make those trips. The question that arises and was alluded to by Mr. Steve is how many places can you gunkhole around in with that kind of draft. As I'm sure you're aware get a good survey of all systems.
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Old 06-19-2012, 03:12 PM   #4
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I would not want a boat with that much draft!! I would look for a good coastal cruiser with 4 feet or less of draft- that is what most will have in the 40-50' range. Very shallow waters in the FL, etc. and less draft the better for down there.
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Old 06-19-2012, 03:34 PM   #5
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7'8" draft?YIKES!Something closer to 3' would be less stress full.
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Old 06-19-2012, 11:26 PM   #6
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If the draft of the boat is an issue, the draft with the paravanes deployed will be even greater.

There's a lot of steel on that boat, and if the red boot stripe is any indication, it was painted with...I dunno, a mop?

There's a huge amount of space - especially compared to a 34' sailboat - but it's not particularly well used. 2500 gallons of fuel capacity sounds like more of a headache than a feature.

It certainly looks sturdy! <smile>
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Old 06-20-2012, 10:48 AM   #7
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So can we all agree,that at the very least...as long as this thing can pass a survey....this design will cross gulf of mexico without much issue?The interior is for the most part not desireable.but it is a nice blank canvas for us.but I'm still looking at other boats.
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Old 06-20-2012, 11:16 AM   #8
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The draft is a real issue, even for coastal cruising on the east cost (ICW). If you are willing to spend that amount of money, you can do MUCH better. Keep looking, it's part of the fun.
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I think something around 5 or 6 feet is the maintained depth on the ICW.
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Ok...but don't really plan on the ditch trips...or going to florida...no desires for east coast....thanks for replies.some really put things into perspective.will keep on looking
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Greetings,
I, for one, agree that this design will handle various crossings under suitable weather conditions but so will quite a number of other vessels.
As I mentioned previously, the main question that arises, particularly in the cases of the Caribbean and Florida, is how much a 7'8" draft, with the "birds" not deployed, will limit your travels throughout the area.
I'm not trying to dissuade you from purchasing this boat but think of what boat will give you the MOST variety of cruising/living aboard options over the longest period of time.
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Old 06-20-2012, 11:39 AM   #12
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That boat could probable cross an ocean with its deep draft, 2,500 gallon tanks, fish stabilizers and tonnage. It would be a great boat for the PNW. However, as mentioned the large fuel tanks can be a concern as the newer diesel should be turned every few years. However, there are pluses and minuses of leaving the tanks empty, but it probable has several individual tanks, so maintain/use one or two of the tanks?

The 671 engine is a proven, dependable, long live and parts/service available. Most of the older long range commercial trawlers and our Eagle have 671. the plus is they can be rebuild in frame/place. Draft might be a concern but being a single with as shoe protect prop even if you do go aground should not be to much of a concern. I have grounded the Eagle several time, and at – 3 foot tides the Eagle sits on the bottom at our dock. Having a single/protect prop is better than having bare un protected prop hand down, even with a low draft. You have a sail boat so your use to a deep draft and good ultra stasility.

Many long range trawler are stark/shippy/functional. If you are planning on going out in rough open water being stark/shippy/functional is a plus. However, you can warm them up with lighting/texture/carpet/remodel. The Eagle was stark/shippy/functional when we bought her. I still call her the slow ugly old trawler as that was my first impression of her. However, my wife like/wanted/bought the Eagle and since then we have PIMPED it out, so it’s a great a live aboard.

If you plan on being a live aboard, remember you will be a live aboard 100% of the time and cruising as small % of time. So don’t just look at the mechanical/electronics, be sure to look/consider the creature comforts. If you are just starting to look at trawler make sure you go on as many as you can, and most of all, TAKE NOTE WHAT YOUR SO LIKES/DISLIKES. Keep the SO happy and you will happy.
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Steel is equated to safety/security, but the longer one indulges in trawlering the more one realizes that other options serve just as well.

That draft would be great for blue water but in reality how much time will you actually spend out there. You say now that you're not interested in the ICW, FL etc. but that could change once you get into spending time aboard.
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Man, Phil Fill,you sound like exactly what I am thinking.I will take the wife to see all the beautiful plastic boats.then I will drive to Beaumont and show her the old iron horse.If she can see potential.Then I am golden.but I still need to call ahead and ask some questions.the single 671 with a protected prop is a big deal to me.but this thing could be a giant floating turd.
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I fell in love with a similar trawler conversion in the PNW, and woulda gobbled it up if I lived out there, but I settled on the boat I have now cuz I my Admiral and I love to gunk hole. Here in Biscayne Bay (Miami), your cruise area would be a constant worry, and lots of the ICW would be too. I can sure understand your feelings about this kind of boat though. It's a man thing.
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Is a 671 really rated at 240 hp? I thought it to be more in the 185 hp range.
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So can we all agree,that at the very least...as long as this thing can pass a survey....this design will cross gulf of mexico without much issue?
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The interior is for the most part not desireable.but it is a nice blank canvas for us.
IMHO, much of the "value" in this boat is the refurbished interior - if you don't value that, then I'm confident you could find a similar boat - uncoverted - for much less money and do the work yourself to your own taste.

Also, while you intend to keep the vessel for many years, the draft issue surely figures into the current asking price, and will turn around and bite you when you resell it in a shallow-draft area.

Keep looking - I think you can do better.
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I just purchased a Trawler and went through the whole Buyers Broker crappola.. do yourself a HUGE Favor.. SKIP the Broker.. you can do it on your own and the Broker offers NO value to your enterprise... good luck.
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When we first started looking we where looking at the Bayline, Ocean, SeaRay the plastic faster pilot house boats. We were having lunch on Lake Union and my wife saw this ugly old trawler sticking out past the pretty shiny plastic boats we where looking at. We never look a trawler type boats like the Grand, Defever etc.

My wife commented that she was going to look at that big old boat while I paid the bill and made some phone calls as I was not interested. Live was good! I found my wife laying on the master bed, she said “This is THE boat! The boat had everything she wanted, stability, quiet, pilot house, solid rails, Portuguese bridge, wide body, bigger than the boat we were looking, and it was ½ the price of the plastic boats we were looking at. Suddenly live was not AS good!

One of the concerns about older steel boats is what you can not see behind the interior walls, mold/rust/mildew. I would thing down south where it hot/humid that might be a problem. So look and smell for signs. When buying and older boat that need work or remodeling, make sure you have the cash/funds as it’s almost impossible to get financing to repair/remodel a boat. Also look at the total round trip cost of buying the boat, repairing/remodeling the boat, owning the boat and selling the boat. It might be better cash wise and/or total cost to buy more expensive boat that meets all you needs/wants. The first 3 years we dumped 20 to 30 grand pimping out the boat.

Anywa follow the wife around as you might be surprised.
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just remember...ALL boats of ALL kinds of construction will need major work at some point.

What are YOU prepared to tackle???? What can you afford to pay for someone else to do the work????

Many boats are bought and maintained and run just fine till the first big overhaul...then they are repossessed...go figure..

Again...think ahead so you don't wind up in a jamb....

This is why more pros are putting on their business cards...prepurchase "evaluation with prospective buyer" type advice...talk to and pay the right person can avoid HUGE hetache and financial disaster later.
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