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Old 01-23-2011, 09:36 PM   #21
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charles wrote:Take a look and then tell me that aluminum tankage on a boat is not good.
All I can do is relate what I've read in a lot of places and been told by a few shipwrights.* Perhaps, like stainless tanks, it depends on how the aluminum tanks are made or the alloy used.* But I have read as well as heard a number of shipwrights who are in a position to be credible on the subject say that aluminum fuel tanks are less than ideal.

i have also read as well as heard shipwrights who are in an equally credible position say that aluminum fuel tanks are great.

My point is that if one is contemplating the purchase of a boat with aluminum fuel tanks it would behoove them to talk to some pros on this specific subject, as opposed to taking the advice of people on an internet forum.* If there are ways that aluminum tanks can be problematic, it would seem to make sense to find out from people who* make their living by knowing what they're talking about what those ways are so they can be avoided.

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Old 01-23-2011, 10:28 PM   #22
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Marin,
You just did that and came up w a 50/50 split. If we were to take your advice we'd come up just as confused. I know you're not confused. Most (as in almost all) knowledgable people (professionals) say aluminum is best. I was going to use SS before I researched the matter. As for plastic**** ..probably fine until there's a fire and then Duhhh.

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Did you go to the meeting?

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Old 01-24-2011, 12:44 AM   #23
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1. Marin,
You just did that and came up w a 50/50 split. ....Most (as in almost all) knowledgable people (professionals) say aluminum is best.

2. Marin,
Did you go to the meeting?

1.* Yes, but......* The people who said aluminum fuel tanks can have problems had reasons convincing enough to make me want to learn more about them if we were contemplating getting a boat with aluminum tanks or having new tanks made for a boat we owned.* It may have to do with construction methods or specific alloys--- I don't recall the details since the subject had no bearing on either of our boats.

What was interesting was that none of the comments I can recall, including the ones that said aluminum fuel tanks were good, said that they were the best choice.* In fact most of them said iron tanks were the best if you took the proper steps to keep rust at bay.

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Marin,
You just did that and came up w a 50/50 split. If we were to take your advice we'd come up just as confused. I know you're not confused. Most (as in almost all) knowledgable people (professionals) say aluminum is best. I was going to use SS before I researched the matter. As for plastic**** ..probably fine until there's a fire and then Duhhh.

Marin,
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Eric,* All fuel tanks regardless of material are tested to the same standards.* If a tank is labeled having passed the USCG 183.590 it has passed the fire resistance test.* There is nothing wrong with a well made aluminum fuel tank, the problem is if the installation or location allows water to sit between the tank wall and the supports, this can lead to pitting and eventual leaking.** The USCG does not approve new steel (iron) tanks.** JohnP
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Old 01-24-2011, 08:20 AM   #25
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Seaisleman wrote:My opinion is that you should make sure your spouse likes*whatever boat you decide on.
I don't tell my wife what kind of refrigerator to buy and she doesn't tell me what
kind of boat to buy. That's fair isn't it?
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First place I don't believe that for a second.*

And fair has nothing to do with it. :>))

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Old 01-24-2011, 08:59 AM   #26
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The Gulfstars were also made with fiberglass tanks. It is nice not to worry about corrosion.
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Seaisleman wrote:My opinion is that you should make sure your spouse likes*whatever boat you decide on.
I don't tell my wife what kind of refrigerator to buy and she doesn't tell me what
kind of boat to buy. That's fair isn't it?
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First place I don't believe that for a second.*

And fair has nothing to do with it. :>))

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http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/cfr_20...cfr182.440.htm

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Old 01-24-2011, 09:47 AM   #29
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JD wrote:SeaHorse II wrote:Seaisleman wrote:My opinion is that you should make sure your spouse likes*whatever boat you decide on.
I don't tell my wife what kind of refrigerator to buy and she doesn't tell me what
kind of boat to buy. That's fair isn't it?
Walt,

First place I don't believe that for a second.*

And fair has nothing to do with it. :>))
Walt, I believe JD's vision is clearing up.* He's RIGHT on this one.
Must be the new coffee my wife bought for the Keurig.

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Old 01-24-2011, 10:03 AM   #30
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I always recommend to my customers not to rule out any trawler based upon her brand; there are many good boats of all the makes and models, you just have to find them. In addition, I have come across lemons in each brand too, I call them Friday boats...

But in the age of boats you'll be seeing, teak decks are common and if you are willing to run the chance of a leak, they are usually fine. Most do not leak however.

As far as tankage goes, fuel tanks were generally built of steel but several builders coated them with epoxy as are those on my Labelle; no corrosion what so ever.

Leaking windows was a common problem with the early boats too.

The principle deal breakers with my clients boats as been corroded fuel tanks, rotten wood around windows, corroded rudder posts and struts. But if you can find a boat free of those issue you probably have found a good boat.
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JohnP wrote:*The USCG does not approve new steel (iron) tanks.****
http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/cfr_20...cfr182.440.htm

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Please note from Rick's link that only top draw is OK except for tank drain lines that must be plugged and/or valved.
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Old 01-24-2011, 10:28 AM   #33
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"But in the age of boats you'll be seeing, teak decks are common and if you are willing to run the chance of a leak, they are usually fine. Most do not leak however."

Our 1983 Albin has teak decks that are in excellent condition. They do not leak as far as we can tell.
We did re-caulk the entire flybridge in 2009 and part of the main deck last summer. Not nearly as difficult or as time consuming as I have read.
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John P,

USCG approved or not I would like mor information on your plastic fuel tanks. I was told of i put in 70 gallon plastic tanks that I would have to build a box around them to support them.* I would like to get at least a manufacturer of you tanks so I can do some research

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"(5) Openings for fill pipes, vent pipes, and machinery fuel supply
pipes, and openings for fuel level gauges, where used, must be on the
topmost surfaces of tanks. Tanks may not have any openings in bottoms,
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Gentlemen:* I stand by my statement, realizing that in this day and age it may be
hard to swallow for some.* When it comes to boats, the decision is 100% mine.
My wife puts in very little time on the boat, so her opinion doesn't hold much water.
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Moonstruck wrote:Walt, First place I don't believe that for a second.* And fair has nothing to do with it. :>))
Gentlemen:* I stand by my statement, realizing that in this day and age it may be
hard to swallow for some.* When it comes to boats, the decision is 100% mine.
My wife puts in very little time on the boat, so her opinion doesn't hold much water.
Sound tough? You bet!

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Walt,* Who makes the decisions on how to redecorate the Family Room? JohnP


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JohnP wrote:Walt,* Who makes the decisions on how to redecorate the Family Room? JohnP
She does. (With my blessings.)

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And so does mine-* It may be our boat but it is her House. JohnP


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USCG approved or not I would like mor information on your plastic fuel tanks. I was told of i put in 70 gallon plastic tanks that I would have to build a box around them to support them.* I would like to get at least a manufacturer of you tanks so I can do some research

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