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Old 02-11-2014, 12:06 PM   #21
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We were faced with a similar dilemma. Years of planning to purchase a <ten year old top quality trawler were altered after the downturn of the economy and funds coming up a little short.

We saw three options: 1.Step down in size 2.Step down in quality 3.Go with an older boat. It all comes down to your use and your own preference.

In the end we stayed away from cheaper boats even though their are some good ones out there. We tried looking at smaller boats but they just didn't fit us. We ended up with the size we originally set out for (42'), the builder we hoped for, but adjusted to a 25 year old boat. I now happily spend a little more time upgrading than we planned and keep a careful eye on the systems, but have comfort in knowing the boat is capable of everything we have planned for her.

Our boat for our preferences and compromises!
Good luck on the search and the adventure!
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Old 02-11-2014, 12:14 PM   #22
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Greetings,
Mr. R. Perfectly stated!
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Old 02-11-2014, 12:15 PM   #23
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Thanks for all of the replies (and the welcome aboard!).

* sail to steam: yes, I'd miss the costs, range and relative comfort of sail, but think other conveniences of power would compensate. The problem is I've never been offshore on a trawler, so I"m only guessing on how they handle seas. My 40 is uncomfortable in anything over about 3" sea...can it handle more? sure...but I don't want to after a lifetime going to sea.

* Bahamas: I was amazed at how lost in time the Abacos were when we visited on our sailboat. I frankly hope people maintain their reluctance to make the trip or the Abacos will end up like the keys or Caribbean . But yes, the trip was much easier than many coastal trips I've made. We sailed from Marathon to West End and were doing 13 knots over ground at times thank to the gulf stream with favorable winds. I travel at 6.3 knots for economy..have seen 10+ in the stream when I wanted to.

* Boat choice: I'd like to know how people feel about the trade off from an older higher end trawler vs a newer Mainship. There seems to be about a 15 year trade-off at the 150-175 price range. What are the 'real' advantages of the Grand Banks level boats versus the Mainships? Would buying 15 years older negate some of the quality benefits due to increased probability of aging systems failures? It really depends on how well it has been cared for, where it lived, if hauled regularly and dried out, etc...etc..no good comparison...each boat has a history and a fair asking price.

* twin vs single: I'm wanting twin engines for safety and maneuverability reasons. I guess thrusters would solve docking, but I'd feel much better with 2 engines when 100 miles offshore or in a narrow channel with tow boats nearby. This being said, it seems that more than a few of the 'offshore' boats are single engine. I assume I'm missing something here. Good chances are you won't spend much time in a 80's vintage trawler 100 miles offshore...sure you might... but most of us are coastal cruisers and the 60 mile jump to the Bahamas (less than 30 offshore at any given time
) or a 90 mile trip to Cuba (45nm or less), or the Gulf Of Mexico jump you can still be way less than 100 offshore and that's na regular occurrence. And true...many passagemakers are singles with a get home engine (usually assistance towing policy if a US coastal cruiser (not Alaska).


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Thread creep. OP asked for opinions of coastal cruisers. Some opinions expressed thus far. Can the mods move the "loop closure" comments to a new thread please.. We don't want to have Mr./Ms/ KK loose interest and decide to actually keep his/her sail thingy do we? After all, his/her opening statement was "I'm considering selling...". My advice...Sell the stick now and start looking....
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Old 02-11-2014, 06:02 PM   #25
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Thread creep. OP asked for opinions of coastal cruisers. Some opinions expressed thus far. Can the mods move the "loop closure" comments to a new thread please.. We don't want to have Mr./Ms/ KK loose interest and decide to actually keep his/her sail thingy do we? After all, his/her opening statement was "I'm considering selling...". My advice...Sell the stick now and start looking....
not to worry...even sailors lose our direction on occasion

and while Mr. seems not quite appropriate for a man of my poor reputation, Ms. would be even less so...so a simple KK is fine...
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Old 02-11-2014, 06:08 PM   #26
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You may want to consider an older twin Ford-Lehman powered Marine Trader.
What's the story on Marine Traders? I know the name, but not where they fit in the price/quality/performance cube. Why did you choose one?
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Thread creep. OP asked for opinions of coastal cruisers. Some opinions expressed thus far. Can the mods move the "loop closure" comments to a new thread please..
Not a bad idea. Definitely thread creep, but an interesting subject which many people would have an interest in, and so it deserves its own thread. The wish is granted. :-) See General Discussion -> Potential to close part of Great Loop.
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Old 02-11-2014, 06:41 PM   #28
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I have a 390 Mainship and as you know, Mainship and Hunter had the same parent company, shared a lot of the same hardware and the same manufacturing quality. Economics of scale and all that. Mainship is a coastal cruiser, not a heavy bluewater boat. I've had mine in the lower Chesapeake many times in really lousy weather; steep waves, short duration. The boat doesn't mind it, but I do. It's a comfortable boat for a couple with a lot of space for long trips. It can easily handle the type of weather you're talking about, but it will roll around a lot. My first trip with it was over 400 miles in bad weather. i turned on the auto pilot and hung on. There were 5 people on board for that trip and we still talk about it 8 years later.
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>but I'd feel much better with 2 engines when 100 miles offshore<

100 miles offshore is for sailboats , most of the boats you are looking at do NOT belong offshore.

Sure with a good weather a quick hop is done , but just heading out into Blue water is for Blue Water boats , not coastal cruisers.

As coastal cruisers find the ground more often than offshore sail boats , you may wish to reconsider a single engine with a center line prop being protected by a keel.
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What's the story on Marine Traders? I know the name, but not where they fit in the price/quality/performance cube. Why did you choose one?
Marine Traders (actually Marine Trading) are Far-East built boats constructed under contract by a number of yards ranging from Taiwan to Hong Kong for New Jersey based Marine Trading International. As you might expect the quality of the builds varied widely in consequence. While looking for a boat we examined a host of Marine Traders along with many other makes. Generally most of them were priced well below Grand Banks boats we saw and their quality seemed to be lower than other makes; however, among the group we looked at were several which showed obvious pride of ownership. And you'd be hard pressed to find a more voluminous layout per linear foot length. If you are handy around boats and are not afraid of fixer-up projects, you might find the Marine Trader an excellent value...particularly those with teak decking removed and reglassed to escape the old "Leaky Teaky" hassles. We are greatly satisfied with ours. Best of luck!
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>And you'd be hard pressed to find a more voluminous layout per linear foot length.<

This is what sold these boats decades ago, volume.
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If this was Facebook, I would give this a like. It drives me crazy to have people come to South Florida, and never even go to the Bahamas which is only 48 miles due east. I don't understand it, How can one not like crystal clear water, and no buildings cluttering up the shore? We run across and back in single engined runabouts (I've passed pontoon boats carrying refrigerators!) With no electronics, yet guys with serious passagemakers with enough electronics to fly a plane tell me "we don't like getting out of sight of land". A couple of years ago I had this giant lumberjack type guy come here from Indiana who bought a Maxum 46' because it had a dive compressor, and he was "into diving". Wow' great, you'll love keeping her down here because clear water is so close. Did he even go to the Keys? NO, he ran it across the Gulf back to Indiana! The plane tickets from Allegiant Air were only $19.00 dollars (not a misprint) yet the trip back to muddy water in Indiana cost how much in fuel alone? Likes to dive, but never saw the Bahamas only 2 hours away. Happens 99% of the time even for people who came here all the way from Australia and New Zealand. On the other hand I had guy from Holland buy a 43' Wellcraft Portifino sight unseen (no survey-nada!) off of Ebay -then ran it direct on it's bottom to Curacao (look that up in your charts!)-in Hurricane season, with no problem. THAT was NOT a passagemaker, nor fall anywhere into the realm of a good idea, but by god, make passage it did!
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