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Old 12-08-2013, 12:25 AM   #21
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Some really good ideas there but you have to see the forest not just the trees. This is a classic example of an individual not understanding their strengths and more importantly weaknesses. Obviously a labor of love but unfortunately it has now been offered up for scrutiny from the masses. Every boat has a mate.
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Old 12-08-2013, 06:06 AM   #22
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Old 12-08-2013, 06:48 AM   #23
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Old 12-08-2013, 08:29 AM   #24
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"Sea Dove" is an inappropriate name for a boat that... er... ummm... unconventional. It should rightfully be called "My Way".
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Old 12-08-2013, 12:31 PM   #25
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It rivals some that have come crawling onto TF pages. For 1/2 that money you could get a 35 year old 45' TT with twin Lehmans, plugged teak decks, soft core, and no use in the past 5 years. Or better yet a 30 year old 42KK with a wet hull. Or a 1/2 built (baked) catamaran. Or --- the list goes on and on.

As mentioned, nice truck.
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Old 12-08-2013, 01:04 PM   #26
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Well I happen to like it. It seems to be a very thought out boat. A lot of liveability for a 36 foot boat. Also seems to be heavily built. Ithink it would make a pretty good ICW and Bahamas cruiser.

One Question? Someone was asking how could you access the foredeck in heavy weather? Why the hell would you want to???
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Old 12-08-2013, 01:09 PM   #27
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Looks like an incredible buy to me subject to CG height, hull design and metal boat considerations.

Look at some of the details like windows and ground tackle. If you could keep her upright and relatively free of corrosion should be a fantastic trawler. No prop walk either.

This boat originated from some person very much out of the box. And it looks to me like most of the comments posted come from individuals that can't even see out of the box much less go there.

I looked again. I like the dry stack exhaust and lots of access to places like around the inside of the aft cockpit. If you looked this boat over I'll bet many other really nice details would surface. Stability and CG would be my main concern. Needs flopper stoppers.

Daddyo says "This is a classic example of an individual not understanding their strengths and more importantly weaknesses." Wow ... that's a real slammer and of course identifies who understands their strengths. I sure hope the boat owner dosn't read this high and mighty stuff.
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Old 12-08-2013, 01:25 PM   #28
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It's a unique boat no doubt but somebody is going to be a happy new owner. Definitely the queen of the trailerable fleet. Really not a bad concept, east coast west coast gulf coast or Lake Tahoe this boat can do them all. I have no idea why anyone would be "scared" of an 11' beam in a 35' boat Nothing wrong with a 3-1 ratio.
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Old 12-08-2013, 02:52 PM   #29
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If I read the price right, it is at $140K. For that money there is/was a very nice DeFever 41 for sale in FL with a 3 year old engine, reglassed bottom, good new electronics and a proven blue water cruiser. One offs are a challenge in the market no matter how nice.

I wouldn't care to betcha that the owner of the ID vessel is a pretty bright guy. His vessel may be mission perfect. With that trailer he can really see some great bodies of water in the ID & WA areas without ever seeing salt water. Possibly even greater cruising fun and range than being stuck in the SF Bay area .
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Old 12-08-2013, 03:29 PM   #30
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Possibly even greater cruising fun and range than being stuck in the SF Bay area .
No need to hide from that Tom

A triple axel trailer may well be in my boats future. That Ralph's 41 hasn't sold yet is a mystery to me. All these new folks claiming to be looking for a well found east coast boat? That DeFever should have sold months ago IMO.
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Old 12-08-2013, 03:48 PM   #31
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A 35' by 11', 38,000 pound boat is seriously overweight and will never be "very efficient". I don't believe she will ever see 8-9 knots with 72 installed horsepower, 7.5 is about it, downhill with a tailwind......

The mention of tri-keel and the twin tiny motors indicates designer Nils Lucander may have been involved at some point. Lucander died in 1998.

She looks overweight (proven by the numbers) and top heavy. The owner would have to prove her otherwise before I would suggest someone risk his or her life in this vessel. Someone spent a lot of money but not on Naval Architecture......
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Mr. head. One would never necessarily WANT to access the foredeck in heavy weather but what if one HAD to? Picking up a mooring buoy, setting or retrieving an anchor/drogue, picking up a tow line....Who knows? The OP asked for comments. That was mine. Just noticed the fore hatch so I've answered my own question.
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The mention of tri-keel and the twin tiny motors indicates designer Nils Lucander may have been involved at some point. Lucander died in 1998.
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Old 12-09-2013, 03:48 PM   #34
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It is.

See here.
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So in 4 years on the market the asking has dropped $160k.......still no buyers and many (including myself) think the asking must come down considerably to get her sold......probably shows something about the wisdom of investing in such a thing.
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Looks like an incredible buy to me subject to CG height, hull design and metal boat considerations.

Look at some of the details like windows and ground tackle. If you could keep her upright and relatively free of corrosion should be a fantastic trawler. No prop walk either.

This boat originated from some person very much out of the box. And it looks to me like most of the comments posted come from individuals that can't even see out of the box much less go there.

I looked again. I like the dry stack exhaust and lots of access to places like around the inside of the aft cockpit. If you looked this boat over I'll bet many other really nice details would surface. Stability and CG would be my main concern. Needs flopper stoppers.

Daddyo says "This is a classic example of an individual not understanding their strengths and more importantly weaknesses." Wow ... that's a real slammer and of course identifies who understands their strengths. I sure hope the boat owner dosn't read this high and mighty stuff.
The man asked us our opinion did he not? I stand by my opinion (neither right nor wrong, just mine is all) and will elaborate. Form is an art, function is not. The designer is much more gifted in function than form in my "opinion". Here is the rest of my quote:
"Obviously a labor of love but unfortunately it has now been offered up for scrutiny from the masses. Every boat has a mate."
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Old 12-09-2013, 08:16 PM   #36
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From inside that vessel I would feel like I was conning a destroyer. Maybe Mark would lend me his cannon.
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