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Old 01-29-2013, 06:07 PM   #61
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Baker,
You're right re being judgmental however meeting him may lead me to be led astray to think something untrue as well. But you're probably right John.

And in the classic sense form is following function but he possibly could have achieved his design goals w/o being so radical. Why are ALL the other passage makers in the world conforming to normal aspect ratios? The fact is that he is willing to put up w the downsides Of his radical design to achieve increased range and speed. ALL other designs are fine w/o it. But it is a thing of beauty when radically different things work and work well.

The function of most boats is to sell. Windhorse is not saddled w that extreme limitation.
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Old 01-29-2013, 06:13 PM   #62
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That hits the nail on the head. Many NAs would love to flex their design muscles but realize the customer base is conservative, so they design what will sale, not sail. The SMG 50 is a good example of a lot of great designs coming together, but isn't selling. Dashew doesn't want to sell a lot, and with that has the freedom to design what works the best for serious cruisers that don't want to be limited to the middle latitudes.

http://www.sail-the-difference.com/h...an/smg_50plus/
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Old 01-29-2013, 06:20 PM   #63
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Might save a bit on fuel for a given speed as compared to a merely mortal trawler, but I'd like to see a comparison of purchase price per square foot of liveable space. Methinks you'd be paying a mighty premium for that extra speed considering the extra length required.

Tad Roberts' "Passagemakerlite" series moves in the same direction but appears to be a more affordable option;

PassagemakerLite 56 fast, seaworthy, fuel-efficient long-range ocean cruiser ~ Power Boat Designs by Tad Roberts
those are some beautiful designs but it would cost a fortune for a slip in addition to the initial cost. But if you wished to cross the ocean and had the money these would be wonderful
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Mod hat on: A number of posts have been split off to another topic which you can find here: Beauty, symmetry and personal perception

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Old 01-30-2013, 03:16 PM   #65
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I know Janet. As the OP I couldn't nudge that thread drift even with this post......

The lack of hobby horsing in this sea state is beauty to me.


Compared to a Nordhavn 43 in a smaller sea state.
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Old 01-30-2013, 03:49 PM   #66
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I know Janet. As the OP I couldn't nudge that thread drift even with this post......

The lack of hobby horsing in this sea state is beauty to me.


Compared to a Nordhavn 43 in a smaller sea state.

Your not actually trying to make any comparison between a 65' boat and a 43' boat in the same sea conditions are you ?..


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Old 01-30-2013, 04:01 PM   #67
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More of a comparison between a sharp bow, narrow beam boat and the Nordhavn.
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Willy is a short boat and does a lot of "hobby horsing" too.

BUT she NEVER pounds!
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Old 01-30-2013, 05:37 PM   #69
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Wonder if that fat midships centerboard on Windhorse was part of the original design....
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Old 01-30-2013, 10:35 PM   #70
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deckofficer,
Is that sports car/hot rod an Allard?
You could post on "Off Topic".
Depending on how much you have to share.
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Old 01-30-2013, 11:38 PM   #71
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Is that sports car/hot rod an Allard?
You could post on "Off Topic".
Depending on how much you have to share.
Eric, not an Allard but a 1923 Ford Track-T. So as to not drift this thread, I did a write up here For manyboats, my ride
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Old 05-20-2013, 12:50 PM   #72
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Here's one that is Better than trawler economy at twice the speed and a fraction of the price of the Dashews boat
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The Trendsetter certainly has impressive performance - a 40 ft boat that hits 20 kts with a single 221 hp engine!

The narrow-beam style harkens back to pre-WWII designs, when boats had to be more efficient out of necessity since the engines of that time did not produce much power for their size and weight. There is certainly much to be said for a narrow length-to-beam ratio, better speed and fuel efficiency as well as good seakeeping abilities. Those hulls don't seem to truly "plane" but rather slice through the water, a sort of 'super-displacement' motion.

There are not many boats built that way today. Most buyers want maximum living space for a given length, and the narrow beam design gives that away. Andreyale, a French boat, comes to mind. I believe they built 30, 40, and 46 ft narrow-beam express-type cruisers, a (to me) very attractive retro-design with lots of wood. Excellent performance with low power. I don't think they ever sold more than a handful in the U.S.
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Put two of those together and...voila....you have a catamaran with the space and performance desired....
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LOL! Yes, you do, but that would make too much sense!
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Those things do get around ... here's one I saw in Fiji last year.
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I have started thinking about a 10 knot cargo boat.
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I have started thinking about a 10 knot cargo boat.
I would love to see more pictures and read more information on your current boat bgm. You haul a lot of load at great speed with minimal HP from what I've managed to piece together.

I like the drawing for your next boat too.
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Here's one that is Better than trawler economy at twice the speed and a fraction of the price of the Dashews boat
that's an interesting boat. Is she for sale?

I've been gone for a bit off putting out fires but I am back now. I wish everyone a happy safe Memorial day holiday
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that's an interesting boat. Is she for sale?

I've been gone for a bit off putting out fires but I am back now. I wish everyone a happy safe Memorial day holiday
She will be for sale as of June 1st.
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