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01-01-2017, 10:46 PM
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TF Site Team
City: Ex-Brisbane, (Australia), now Bribie Island, Qld
Vessel Name: Now boatless - sold 6/2018
Vessel Model: Had a Clipper (CHB) 34
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I have always felt the best description of our type of boats, that is more inclusive and less misleading that most others, is to refer to them as ' coastal cruisers', adding ' trawler style' as an optional extra that might mean more to some than others.
Coastal cruiser immediately says powered by an engine, and capable of off-shore travel, so not your small in-shore cabin cruiser...
and the Trawler style might well bring to mind, to those in the know at least, of the hull shape being something like an oversized rowing dinghy, with spray-deflecting type bow, highish sides, and a flat stern - ie functional, as in fishing trawler, but the cruiser word signifies adapted or made to live aboard.
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01-01-2017, 10:55 PM
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City: Hotel, CA
Join Date: Sep 2011
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According to urbandictionary.com the top definition for
Trawler
A person who is too stingy or poor to pay for drinks in nightclubs so they proceed to drink the dregs of any drinks that are left unattended. They usually end up totally wasted by the end of the night, puking their guts up in the loos, because of all the different drinks they've consumed.
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Craig
It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they've been fooled - Mark Twain
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01-01-2017, 10:59 PM
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Master and Commander
City: Vallejo CA
Vessel Name: Carquinez Coot
Vessel Model: penultimate Seahorse Marine Coot hull #6
Join Date: Sep 2010
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Pete, "coastal cruiser" is a much too kind/adventurous description of my boating. I'm a confirmed gunkholer.
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01-01-2017, 11:54 PM
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TF Site Team
City: Ex-Brisbane, (Australia), now Bribie Island, Qld
Vessel Name: Now boatless - sold 6/2018
Vessel Model: Had a Clipper (CHB) 34
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 10,101
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Quote:
Originally Posted by markpierce
Pete, "coastal cruiser" is a much too kind/adventurous description of my boating. I'm a confirmed gunkholer.
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Maybeso Mark, but the Coot is eminently capable of going coastal - your inclination not to, is a choice you are able to make, but was not mandated by the design of your vessel. My case still rests...
But you knew that - you just wanted me to say it, right..?
In fact, I'll go further than that. With suitable tankage, that vessel of yours is ocean capable. Well....small ocean anyway...so see how much you are underutilising your vessel. Does that make you lose sleep at nights..? No...thought not...
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01-02-2017, 12:12 AM
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Guru
City: SF Bay Area
Vessel Model: Tollycraft 34' Tri Cabin
Join Date: Feb 2011
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Mark - You ever calculated fuel required to cruise your Coot to Hawaii?? Could you carry ample fuel? Would sure be an interesting journey! Maybe Pete could be first mate...
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01-02-2017, 12:12 AM
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City: Fort Lauderdale. Florida, USA
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Quote:
Originally Posted by markpierce
Somewhere in the earlier chapters of Chapman's Piloting & Seamanship, is the "correct" description of a recreational "trawler".
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And who appointed Chapman's as the gospel on the subject? While it may be an informed opinion on the definition, it is just one opinion. The definitions of terms change over the years too based on acceptable usage. We could find a long list of words than no longer mean what they once did. There was a time where linguists were considered the ones to listen to, but not many of then are simply considered pedantic.
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01-02-2017, 10:07 AM
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Guru
City: Cary, NC
Vessel Name: Skinny Dippin'
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CPseudonym
According to urbandictionary.com the top definition for
Trawler
A person who is too stingy or poor to pay for drinks in nightclubs so they proceed to drink the dregs of any drinks that are left unattended. They usually end up totally wasted by the end of the night, puking their guts up in the loos, because of all the different drinks they've consumed.
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That can't be right... those are sailors. :-D
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2000 Navigator 4200 Classic
(NOT a trawler)
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01-02-2017, 12:29 PM
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Master and Commander
City: Vallejo CA
Vessel Name: Carquinez Coot
Vessel Model: penultimate Seahorse Marine Coot hull #6
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 12,559
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Art
Mark - You ever calculated fuel required to cruise your Coot to Hawaii?? Could you carry ample fuel? Would sure be an interesting journey! Maybe Pete could be first mate...
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Have the range to get to Seattle but not Hawaii, with fuel capacity of 318 gallons.
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01-02-2017, 12:35 PM
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Guru
City: Miami River
Vessel Name: Gotcha
Vessel Model: Grand Banks. Heritage. 54
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Have you considered inflatable bladders if you really want to make the trip? Plus it appears you have sails if needed.
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01-02-2017, 12:36 PM
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Join Date: Jun 2008
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Nomad Willy
RT,
Appearently not "beaten to death" as here it is .....
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A gardener would call it a "perennial" topic. Dies off every year then comes back to life
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Ex boats: 1983 40 Albin trunk cabin, 1978 Mainship 34 Model 1
New Port Richey, Fl
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01-02-2017, 12:48 PM
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Guru
City: Concrete Washington State
Vessel Name: Willy
Vessel Model: Willard Nomad 30'
Join Date: Oct 2007
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Jay,
Indeed.
But it boils down to "Heavy Cruiser"
But if some still want to talk .....
Gotta talk about something ...
Or we cease to exist.
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North Western Washington State USA
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01-02-2017, 02:00 PM
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Guru
City: SF Bay Area
Vessel Model: Tollycraft 34' Tri Cabin
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 12,569
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Nomad Willy
Jay,
Indeed.
But it boils down to "Heavy Cruiser"
But if some still want to talk .....
Gotta talk about something ...
Or we cease to exist.
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Face it - Eric is purely correct! Especially in the last two lines!! Thank you Eric.
I'm sure there are myriad of reasons why some on TF continue to post and read posts and then post again and again.
I know my reason: I spend much time at computer for work/fun related reasons. Work/fun things that I love to do... which is... inventing, conceiving and follow through. Thank God for computers... of course, also thank Bill Gates, Michael Dell, Steve and Steve of Apple, Arthur Watson (IBM) and many others!
Soooo... The reason I contribute to TF is because boats/marine-stuff is my best liked pass time. And, TF members in general are a great bunch of yahoos to chat with about something that was etched into my core from first year of life. TF site itself as well as email notices for threads to which I've joined give me opportunity to follow and/or contribute posts. This often gives me opportunity to turn my head off [at least for a few minutes] from the in-depth thought provoking items of which I may be spotlighting at the time.
This morning, starting at 4:30 AM, I've written full documents that are being sent to several important persons regarding two different business endeavors I own as well as a product collaboration to which I belong.
During these 7.5 hours of work/fun this morning I probably received fifteen +/- email alerts from TF and I've posted at least a few times on things that interest me. Now, as it's 1 minute to noon here, I plan to leave my desk for accomplishing out of office activities. I will surely check email later in day/eve and will likely be further amused my posts on TF... may even post a couple times myself.
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01-02-2017, 04:24 PM
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Guru
City: Miami River
Vessel Name: Gotcha
Vessel Model: Grand Banks. Heritage. 54
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Posts: 2,988
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Art
Not sure I agree with "Gotta talk about something ...
Or we cease to exist."
I think I would like to try not talking to the wife and see if I can
exist! LOL
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01-02-2017, 05:16 PM
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Master and Commander
City: Vallejo CA
Vessel Name: Carquinez Coot
Vessel Model: penultimate Seahorse Marine Coot hull #6
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 12,559
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The local trawlers here have very limited living accomodations.
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01-02-2017, 05:27 PM
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City: Fort Lauderdale. Florida, USA
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bigsfish
Art
Not sure I agree with "Gotta talk about something ...
Or we cease to exist."
I think I would like to try not talking to the wife and see if I can
exist! LOL
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Wifey B: You what?
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01-02-2017, 05:50 PM
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Guru
City: Miami River
Vessel Name: Gotcha
Vessel Model: Grand Banks. Heritage. 54
Join Date: Aug 2016
Posts: 2,988
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Not you guys, only me. It's worth a try for me. LOL
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01-02-2017, 05:50 PM
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Guru
City: Sydney
Vessel Name: Sojourn
Vessel Model: Integrity 386
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 13,329
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bigsfish
I think I would like to try not talking to the wife and see if I can
exist! LOL
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Guessing she`s not a regular on TF.
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2005 Integrity 386 "Sojourn"
Sydney Australia
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01-02-2017, 06:21 PM
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#58
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Join Date: Apr 2014
Posts: 1,288
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bigsfish
So why argue with an owner that insists on calling his boat a trawler when your definition precludes it being called that? Just smile at him and let him enjoy his toy and call it anything he wants. Some of us may have very strict definitions of a trawler, others may be more flexible. If you take your pet out for a walk every morning and call it a cat but I know it to be a dog, in the words of Hillary "what difference does it make"?
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It does make a difference to me if a person actually thinks his dog is a cat it tells me he is thinking and maybe living in an alternate reality and my dealings with that person would have to be modified to take that in to account with all possible contacts. I don't think the trawler thing is that extreme but it certainly is a sloppy use of language to describe what could otherwise be done with much greater meaning and accuracy. Considering our recent national election getting in a snit over the misnomer trawler is inconsequential when half the country is probably living in an alternate reality.
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01-02-2017, 06:35 PM
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#59
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Guru
City: Ft Pierce
Vessel Name: Sold
Vessel Model: Was an Albin/PSN 40
Join Date: Oct 2011
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And particularly if you are one of the ones in that alternate reality.
Where I come from, the experienced boaters, marinas, bridges, commercial vessels, military, USCG all seem to have an idea what a pleasure trawler is...it's the people here on TF THAT don't that kinda scares me
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01-02-2017, 06:40 PM
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#60
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Guru
City: Hotel, CA
Join Date: Sep 2011
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Quote:
Originally Posted by psneeld
And particularly if you are one of the ones in that alternate reality.
Where I come from, the experienced boaters, marinas, bridges, commercial vessels, military, USCG all seem to have an idea what a pleasure trawler is...it's the people here on TF THAT don't that kinda scares me
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Nah, it just proves how pedantic we as a group really are. If we where not this particular thread would have died at post 4
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