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Old 02-12-2013, 08:21 AM   #1
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Which Trawler?

I am looking for a little advise

We are thinking of getting a trawler with the price of fuel and being in need of more space, we really like to style and space most have.

The one thing holding me back is the slow speed which I know is the only way to get great fuel economy, but where would I look to get the best of both worlds?

I would love to find a trawler that would be able to do 15- 20 knots when needed and be able to get decent fuel burn or MPG but don't know where to start.

Not sure if there is such a vessel. anyone?

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Old 02-12-2013, 08:45 AM   #2
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You get used to the speed, but you need to be more specific about what you consider "decent" MPG. We get 4 MPG at 8 MPH. We can go all year on one fill-up or less.

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Old 02-12-2013, 08:52 AM   #3
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The new Cutwater 30 will do it.
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Old 02-12-2013, 09:43 AM   #4
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I think you need to be more specific. For example, you could get a 26' "trawler" with outboard power and it might meet your speed and economy needs, but would it be big enough for you?

Where are you planning on boating? Open ocean? Protected waters? Some boats are suitable for one but not the other.
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Old 02-12-2013, 09:51 AM   #5
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On our initial search for an economical cruising boat, I also spent a lot of time trying to capture, as you say, "the best of both worlds". There are many semi-displacement hulls out there that are capable of teens and twenties if you need it, albeit at a big jump in consumption. Outside of a long and lean (read skinny) custom built hi-tech wonder, the only practical, affordable alternatives we found were a few of the production power-catamarans. The super-efficient PDQ 34, condo-like Endeavour 36, and the charter-influenced Fontaine Pajot 37 Maryland are honest compromises that boast fuel efficiency into the teens, but larger cat alternatives quickly rise above 300K for pre-owned boats, and then you're back again to the custom built mono-hull alternative.
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Old 02-12-2013, 11:05 AM   #6
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We would be boating in Long Island Sound mostly.
Hopefuly with some trips up the Hudson and to Block Island
Our home port is Milford CT
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For speed and fuel efficiency, i'll add my vote for a power cat. Roomy, fast and fuel efficient but not very pretty.
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Old 02-12-2013, 12:04 PM   #8
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What is your budget?? For the information you've provided so far I vote for a Fleming 55 or an Outer Reef 60. They both have room, speed and economy when going slow.
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Old 02-12-2013, 12:33 PM   #9
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What is your budget?? For the information you've provided so far I vote for a Fleming 55.......
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Old 02-12-2013, 12:39 PM   #10
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In general terms you are looking for a semi displacement hull with enough HP to get the boat up out of the water. A semi displacements also has good miles per gallon at hull speed with reasonable stability. 90% of the pleasure trawler are semi displacement so its more about your choice of size, lay out and price.

I would not get a CAT as finding moorage for them is difficult and I donít view them having good ultra stability. Great for protected waters!
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Studman:

You have told us where you plan to boat, but not the size or number of people on board or your budget.

Lacking those numbers, I too vote for the Flemming 55!!!

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Old 02-12-2013, 04:48 PM   #12
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most of the time it would be the wife and I but we would have friends joins us so I would say 4 on an overnight and up to 8 on a day trip

I really don't want to spend more then 75,000 for now
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Ok, with that information I think you are looking at a 30-36' trawler, used of course and for less than $75 it will be 10 or so years old. You want to be able to cruise at 15 kts when you want to get there fast, but slow down to 7 kts or so and use much less fuel. Do I have this right?

So do some browsing on Yachtworld with those parameters. 30-36', $60-90K (boats sell for about 15% less than listing price but you don't want something old and tired so make the lower end $60k), trawler hull type, all of US since you are just browsing.

You will get more than 100 hits. But read some of them. Weed out those without enough power to cruise comfortably at 15 kts. You will need 300 hp for a 30' boat and probably 400+ hp for a 36' boat. Unfortunately Yachtworld doesn't let you use hp as a search criteria. So skip the Grand Banks, Marine Traders, Island Gypsies, etc- they won't go fast enough.

Here are a couple that meet these criteria:

On the low end of your size range, a 30' Mainship Pilot 30 with the 315 Yanmar can be bought for as little as $75K. It will sleep 4 and day cruise 6 or so.

On the upper end there are several Saberline 36s with twin Detroit 8.2s with a total of 500 hp listed for $65-85K.

At the smaller end of the scale you get more modern boats and at the upper end you get older boats.

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OK...with your new criteria, I'd probably look toward the Bayliner.
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Old 02-13-2013, 06:34 AM   #16
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A Bayliner or Sea Ray well under $20K would do everything you desire and be easy to sell when moving on.
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Take a look at the Searay 370 Aft Cabin. You Should be able to find one under $100k. I was looking at these but the powerplants in these are a lot more expensive to repair, overhaul, or replace than a perkins or lehman. These boats will do close to 20 knots if needed, but the repairs are goin get you eventually.
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Most folks can never wear out a diesel in normal operation.

KILL a DIESEL, sure that's easy , no PM , wrong oil, wrong anti-freez no problem.

The big expense on a larger engine is oil in gallons , not quarts and 1 NMPG to 1/2 NMPG underway.

Not much difference having 8 valves adjusted than 6.

Or rebuilding 8 injectors instead of 6.
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Take a look at the Searay 370 Aft Cabin. You Should be able to find one under $100k. I was looking at these but the powerplants in these are a lot more expensive to repair, overhaul, or replace than a perkins or lehman. These boats will do close to 20 knots if needed, but the repairs are goin get you eventually.
Most of these are gas with the 454's which are gas hogs according to a few owners I have spoken to. Usually you have to find a 40'+ to get the Cats. I've seen these from the mid $50's.
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Most of these are gas with the 454's which are gas hogs according to a few owners I have spoken to. Usually you have to find a 40'+ to get the Cats. I've seen these from the mid $50's.

There is an interesting Searay comparison:
  • Cat 3116s that are very heavy and all too often overpropped from the factory with resultant very high costs to keep running or
  • Nice running and less $$ to buy 454s but with 25% higher fuel burn than a set of diesels
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