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Old 09-07-2017, 02:12 PM   #1
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Travel Warnings Issued for Mexico

U.S. State Department issues travel warning for Mexico – The Log
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Old 09-07-2017, 02:51 PM   #2
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On the State Department's site there are specifics by state and more detailed recommendations.

https://travel.state.gov/content/pas...l-warning.html

Things have worsened significantly this year so being very careful of where and when is critical. If we were coming through today vs early 2015 when we went through, I'd be more concerned, probably make a couple fewer stops as definitely would skip Acapulco. We watched where we went and didn't do much at night even then. Generally they are trying to protect tourists.
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Thanks for share the info.


Mexico has been on my no travel band for a number of years now.


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Old 09-07-2017, 04:26 PM   #4
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Thanks for share the info.


Mexico has been on my no travel band for a number of years now.


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Wifey B: Is the Cleveland in your profile, the one in Ohio, the one referred to as "The Mistake on the Lake?" If so, that's harsh coming from there.

I've been to Cleveland. I was actually docked there on June 19, 2016, which was a very tragic day for me. Can't believe the Cavaliers beat my boys.

We stayed a couple of extra days but the place went wild and parades and celebrating and all that stuff. It was nice to see for the city though, a lot of very happy people and no riots or anything like some places have had. My fave things there. 1-Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. 2-Great Lakes Science Museum. 3-Cleveland Museum of Art. 4-Some car and plane museum but I'm too lazy to look it's name up right now. 5-The Money Museum. I like money but they wouldn't give you any there. Fed Reserve. Sort of cool.

I wouldn't go into the interior of Mexico and wouldn't want to go by car. I'd still go to the coastal areas, just even more careful, but I understand you saying you wouldn't. Can't get much more dangerous and remain on my list to go though.
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Cruise lines have been dropping some Mexican destinations in recent years. Stayed on the ship during my last two Mexican cruises.
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No hint of trouble in Puerta Vallarta. Has always been safe. My self, family, and several partners in a property development were involved with go there regularly. No issues at all.
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No hint of trouble in Puerta Vallarta. Has always been safe. My self, family, and several partners in a property development were involved with go there regularly. No issues at all.
What is the consensus on the Sea of Cortez?
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Wifey B: Is the Cleveland in your profile, the one in Ohio, the one referred to as "The Mistake on the Lake?" If so, that's harsh coming from there.

I've been to Cleveland. I was actually docked there on June 19, 2016, which was a very tragic day for me. Can't believe the Cavaliers beat my boys.

We stayed a couple of extra days but the place went wild and parades and celebrating and all that stuff. It was nice to see for the city though, a lot of very happy people and no riots or anything like some places have had. My fave things there. 1-Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. 2-Great Lakes Science Museum. 3-Cleveland Museum of Art. 4-Some car and plane museum but I'm too lazy to look it's name up right now. 5-The Money Museum. I like money but they wouldn't give you any there. Fed Reserve. Sort of cool.

I wouldn't go into the interior of Mexico and wouldn't want to go by car. I'd still go to the coastal areas, just even more careful, but I understand you saying you wouldn't. Can't get much more dangerous and remain on my list to go though.
Wifey B:

Mexico is a beautiful country and I have been there many times over the years. One of my relatives lived in Mexico for over 30 years. His mother was Mexican, God rest her soul.

My cousin left Mexico 2 years ago due to all the crime and corruption. He owned business in Acapulco then in Cancun after Acapulco was over ran with the corruption and crime. He saw the hand writing on the wall in Cancun, which is starting to follow suit as Acapulco.

I also have a really good family friend that is from Mexico and she will not go back for the same reason. When she wants to see her family she flies them here to the states. She does not feel safe in her own county and worries daily about her family.

It is truly a shame that Mexico cannot clean up their country for its people. As I said, it is truly a beautiful county and so are the people that just want to get by in life.

As far as the Mistake on the Lake. (Cleveland) It soon will be on my travel band list as well.

My wife is from here not me! Sure Cleveland can be a good place to visit. However living here is not so great due to the city and county governments. That is why we have lost over about a million people over the last ten years.

Sorry to hear about your boys being beat. The Cavs got lucky!


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Sorry to hear about your boys being beat. The Cavs got lucky!
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What is the consensus on the Sea of Cortez?
I hope OK. We are heading there this winter.
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What is the consensus on the Sea of Cortez?
Don't know. Have been there up and down the entire coast many times. Always very safe in past. Have not been there in about 5 years so can't say what's going on now. Military check points up and down the highway. Rode my BMW1200 GS to Cabo with friends. Very safe. No worries. Cabo, however, is a bit like Las Vegas now. Not nearly as safe as it used to be. Harbors are a non-issue. Very safe.
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Wifey B: And recognize you're a guest in their home. If you plan on doing something stupid, come back here to do it and you may get due process. But then knew a New Yorker who went to Mississippi and went to a bar and got drunk and took a girl back to the motel with him. Her boyfriend (or perhaps co-conspirator) knocked on the door and robbed him and beat the you know what out of him. He was definitely a foreigner there.

PS. He lied to the cops about what happened and then they refused to even pursue it.
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I hope OK. We are heading there this winter.
Well, when you are boarded at midnight by eight guys wielding machetes, could you post a location on TF so we can avoid that area?
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I have been going to Ensenada for 36 years, about 50-50 land and small sailboats. I haven't paid much attention to State Department travelers' warnings during those years, but I think the warnings have cited both better and worse safety conditions than the current situation. I have never felt unsafe in the city, even when walking alone for short distances at night. I couldn't find any reliable crime statistics with a brief search, but I can tell you that I feel safer walking around Ensenada, day or night, than I would in a number of US cities.

So should you go to Ensenada? Your call, obviously. I suggest that if you do travel there by land that you use the toll road, don't travel at night and don't dawdle in Tijuana or Rosarita Beach. I also suggest that you stick to the "tourist" area near the harbor.
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The problem for Mexico is its northern neighbour. Americans buying drugs is the root cause of the tragic situation in much of Mexico.

Sure, America is trying to do something about that, and has been trying for years. And continuing to fail. There is no point in continuing with past policy, or building a wall.

Just legalise the stuff, and set up legit businesses in the USA to supply it, cheaply. Yes, you will lose a bunch of kids. But you were going to lose them anyway. Take the money out of the trade and then you have a chance to kill it. One problem is that the drug trade has generated such quantities of wealth for the gangs/cartels that they will still cause untold grief. But I believe it would give Mexico a chance. At the moment its still going downhill for them.

And yes, Australian and other Western Country kids are also being destroyed by drugs, we are also loosing the fight using 'traditional' law enforcement. Our society needs to face facts and debate the alternatives. Its time for actions for the greater good of the majority.

Sorry I cant help with specific advice for those travelling there. But hopefully there is good advice, and there are still safe places, and people do go. Supporting the vast majority of the Mexican population who are fairly helpless victims is very worthwhile.
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We currently sit in San Diego, waiting for the Mexico Gates to open in November.

So, here's my moral dilemma: my crew doesn't read TF, and most likely won't be aware of the warning. Do I a) make a Skipper's Decision to proceed, or b) open the topic up to the crew for debate ? :-)
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My wife & I have spent about 4 months in Mexico over the past 2 years (Lake Chapala, Puerto Vallarta, Cabo, and Ensenada). We were in PV in 2015 and stopped at a beach side bar just north of the Malecon for a beer. While there, 2 tour busses parked and unloaded the tourists for lunch. One year later, in 2016, we again stopped at the same bar. In the streets on both sides were parked about 2 dozed 4 wheel drive Dodge pick-ups with machine guns mounted over the cabs on roll cages, 2 armored swat vehicles, and several buses - all Federale Army vehicles. The bar owner told us that there had been narco activity in the hills, and the Army had taken over a hotel down the street and was using it as a staging area, and that it was hurting his business badly.
About 2 weeks later when home in the states, we saw in the news that an Army helo had been shot down by the narcos and crashed on the main highway from the PV airport into town.
Other than that, we have always felt safe in Mexico.
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Given that we hardly ventured more than 50 metres from the shoreline during the last 1200 miles, from port McNeill to San Diego, I'm not expecting to be up in the hills anywhere. But I will keep a close eye on this.
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