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Old 09-16-2010, 05:56 PM   #1
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My wife and I have never owned a boat.* Through some amount of research we have tentatively decided that we MIGHT like to own a trawler.* Any or all advice on this decision is welcome.

We live in the SF Bay area, so the most common uses will be on the Bay and the Sacramento river delta.*

What can we expect to have to pay for a used small (30-35') boat? I assume the prices have come down in the last 2 years?* What rule of thumb (if one exists) for noraml maintainence on a boat like this?

I'm such a rookie, I feel like I don't even know which questions to ask!

We are going to a boat show this weekend.

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Old 09-16-2010, 06:23 PM   #2
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You are about to get lots of good advice from some very seasoned boaters. Wow- I don't remember having any one on board without some experience. You will benefit from being so honest with us. What has interested you about trawlers? They are typically very slow. Have you boated with friends? Do you enjoy working with your hands?
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Old 09-16-2010, 07:01 PM   #3
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Well. not sure where to start...we are recent empty-nesters...started asking around about what type of boat for the bay..a common answer (not unanaimous) was to get something 30' or over.* So when I would search for 30'+, some trawlers started showing up, and I got intrigued.

Not total newbies to boating, just owning.* Have done plenty of water-skiing, and sailing little Hobie cats.* We even bare-boated (with a captain) in the BVI (pre-kids).* The fact that I loved slicing through waves with the deck at a 45 degree angle on that trip, while my wife didn't, makes me think that a smooth 10 knot cruise in the Bay is preferable to a 20 knot dash across, bouncing off the (small) wave crests.* Thus, the interest in trawlers.* Please fell free to correct my logic at any stage!

I'll stop there for now.* Thanks in advance!

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Find the *US Power Squadron *in your area and take the first Basic Boating Class. You and your wife both go. Get a copy of Chapmand's Seamanship and Small boat Handling. This will put you light years ahead of where you are now. Read ALL the chapters. Then go back and study them. Include in your profile what area you live in for future reference. Go back in the old messages we have posted in the past once you get a handle on the terminology.Welcome to the forum John.
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It is certainly a more comfortable way to boat. Did you charter a trawler in the BVI? We spent a few years pounding in a planing hull boat prior to "trawlering". It lends itself to long range cruising. Patricia enjoys the helm more than I do. I tend to like to do topside and cabin maintenance when we travel. For some- the social/ dock side aspect is appealing. Having your own pillows and coffee pot anywhere you travel is a real plus too!The boat show is a great idea. You can begin to narrow down your likes/ dislikes.


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What can we expect to have to pay for a used small (30-35') boat? I assume the prices have come down in the last 2 years?* What rule of thumb (if one exists) for noraml maintainence on a boat like this?
You can expect to pay 10% of the original price per year for care and feeding.* And my favorite part, 20% in the first year since you will be correcting the stuff the previous owner neglected.

Welcome to boating!

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Old 09-17-2010, 11:19 AM   #7
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Sorry, the BVI excursion was a 52' sailboat with 3 other couples.* I loved it but the "admiral", as I see spouses refered to on here, was less than thrilled.* So the power decision has been influenced by that trip.
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Thanks for the advice so far, and I am planning on taking a powerbaoting class before I do anything.

But if anyone has time, could you look at these boat listings and tell me what you think about the prices?* Are these cheaper than they would have been 2 years ago, and if so, by how much?

http://www.boats.com/boat-details/Ca...n-34/114856091

http://www.boats.com/boat-details/Ca...uiser/22116271

http://www.boats.com/boat-details/Ch...wler/115108031

http://www.boats.com/boat-details/Fu...edan/116158231

http://www.boats.com/boat-details/Chb-Classic/21628781

thanks!
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Old 09-17-2010, 01:44 PM   #9
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You can expect to pay 10% of the original price per year for care and feeding.* And my favorite part, 20% in the first year since you will be correcting the stuff the previous owner neglected.

Welcome to boating!

*It is not just buying a boat. It's what it costs to keep it that'll kill ya.

I've seen it happen more than once.*
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JC, what side of the bay are you on?* My husband and I would be happy to show you our boat (we bought it two weeks ago in Sausalito) and show you around the docks at Coyote Point in San Mateo.* There are usually a good many people around on the weekends so we may be able to get you on some other boats to check them out.*

You will probably learn a lot about what you like at the boat show.* We have tickets but may be too busy working on boat projects to actually get over there.*** Looking at LOTS of boats, both online and in real life, really helped us hone in on what we wanted.
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JC,

David just brought up some very valid points. With the CHBs (and all TTs) have a good surveyor check the decks and windows specifically for leaks. *If the decks leak they can cause corrosion on the fuel cells, and ultimately leaks there. *This is a problem common with many Taiwan boats.


As David said, the prices have dropped in the last couple years. *(I purchased my boat three years ago for 52K and I've seen similar CHBs in the low 40s now.) Where you purchase it also has a lot to do with the price you'll pay. Don't let the Yachtworld prices scare you, as small trawlers can often be purchased for a LOT less than advertised.


I'd suggest taking PineappleGirl up on her offer to show you their boat. *You'll learn a lot from folks who have just gone through what you're going through right now. Besides, it's a lot of fun checking out different boats to see what you feel you NEED as opposed to what you'd LIKE in a boat.


Welcome Aboard to the forum,


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AND...just for the record.....Californians ARE MADE IN THE US of A!!!!!!!....and are well made boats that generally do not suffer from the lack of QC.



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PG, we live in Menlo Park, and while I have been to the Coyote Point Golf Course, I have never been to the marina!* I'd love to come see your boat someday.* I'll write to you after the baot show excursion this weekend, if that is OK?
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Sounds good! Enjoy the boat show!
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Old 09-19-2010, 12:42 PM   #15
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The admiral fell in love with a couple tugs...thought they were "charming"..any advice ?????????
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My wife and I have never owned a boat.* Through some amount of research we have tentatively decided that we MIGHT like to own a trawler.* Any or all advice on this decision is welcome.
Charter one for a week.* With no experience a charter company may require you to take a skipper along, but you'll run the boat the whole time and get the experience of being on board for days in a row.

That's the best way to find out if you even like the experience.* Not the experience of being ON a boat--- if it's someone else's* boat there's no pressure on you so most people enjoy it and come away thinkng, "Boy, I'd like to do that more.* Maybe I shold buy a boat."* But the experience of being RESPONSIBLE for the boat, your safety, navigation, docking, etc. yourself.* Two different things entirely.* Some people who like going out on boats cannot deal with being totally responsible for every aspect of owning and using a boat themselves.

So you need to find out which kind of boater you are before you spend a dime on anything (other than a charter).* The kinds of boats most of us on this forum have are expensive in the overall scheme of things.* While the market is still depressed, we're talking a type of boat that can range from $30K for an old one that will take more work to make it usable and reliable than most people want to deal with to perhaps $1.5 milliion.* The majority of us on this forum have boats that are problaby in the $80K to $250K range.

Add to this the annual ownership costs---- moorage, insurance, electricity, fuel, service, maintenance, repairs, and upgrades--- and owning a boat like these is a fairly major committment for most people unless they have tons of disposable income.* If a person is forking out a large initial purchase price and then a pretty steep annual ownership cost and NOT getting that money's worth in terms of enjoyment, new adventures, a better relationship with one's boating partner, etc., it's money that might as well have been burned.

And getting a boat with the intention of making it all back when you sell it is an unrealistic dream.* Most of the time.* People will say, "Our boat is worth twice what it cost new." In terms of the dollar figure, probably true.* In 1998 paid well over twice what our GB36 cost new in 1973.* But that's not an increase in the value of the boat, it's a decrease in the value of the dollar.* In terms of actual value, our GB has lost value as does almost every boat with the exception of collector boats like vintage Hacker Craft, Gar Woods, Chris Crafts, etc.* Some boats lose value slower than others, and there is the occasional example of a boat that actually gains value.* But don't get into boating with the idea that it's an "investment."* It's not.

We bought our boat with the full expectation of never getting a single dime back on what we put into it, both in the purchase price and operating costs.* It's a hobby--- we put money in and get enjoyment and eperience back.* When we're done with the boat we'll probably take it out and sink it for a fish habitat or something.* We don't expect to see a penny of what we've paid for our boating experience come back to us in the form of money.

It's like flying.* Over the course of the last almost 40 years I've spent tens of thousands of dollars on flying. I never bothered to keep track of any of it and I could care less what the total is.* To fly a de Havilland Beaver on floats up and down the Inside Passage more times than we can remember with my wife and experience the things we experienced was worth whatever money we spent doing it.

In my opinion, you have to approach boating the same way.

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Hiya,
** Truer words were never said Mr. Marin*and how much is 1 sunset worth $-wise?
** Spent an evening watching the sun go down at Marathon FL. sitting on the aft deck with a loved one...it's ALL worthwhile.* 'Course the same thing could have been done at some Club Med, but some how it was different...
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The admiral fell in love with a couple tugs...thought they were "charming"..any advice ?????????
From my shopping experience... bring your checkbook.* For the dollar range we were looking at, there was ONE Nordic Tug and it was a actually more than we wanted to spend.**It was NICE, BUT it was smaller than what we ended up getting and it only had one cabin, that did not even have a door?!? and only one head.* Granted you don't NEED two heads on a "small" boat but it IS kinda nice.* We know two people with Nordic Tugs and they LOVE LOVE LOVE them but they are just not in our price range to get the amount of space we were after.* There is a Pacific Tug (PT 37) on our dock that we can for sure take you on.* Also*some friends have a Nordic Tug (38??) on the next dock that we can at least peer in the windows on (they aren't around a whole lot).

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"Charming" will cost you lots of $$. While the Nordics are*built well, they're not (IMHO) built well enough to command that price.

BTW, while we're talking sunsets, here's a pic while we were heading to Shell Island Thursday.


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