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Old 07-12-2011, 05:22 PM   #21
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RE: Top 3 list for your current trawler...good AND bad.

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Jay N wrote:
Wish it was a little bigger when we have guests, wish it was a lot smaller for maintainance.* A nice set compromises.
*X2

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And,

Likes:

1. Flybridge

2. Europa style cockpit overhang

3. Sidedecks, transom door and swim platform for upcoming geriatric accesability.

*

Dislikes:

1. Hard to make up or get in and out of queen sized bed.

2.* Cramped shower and head.

3. A bit of a pig in a following sea.
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Old 07-12-2011, 05:43 PM   #22
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RE: Top 3 list for your current trawler...good AND bad.

Marin

Like-

1. Twin engines
2. 2 separate staterooms/ 2 heads
3. Propane galley

Bonus likes-

1. Generator
2. Teak decks
3. Lofrans Tigres anchor windlass

Dito!

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Dislikes

1/ Windows that leak

2/ No holding Tank

3/ Laminate style dining table(What were they thinking!)
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Old 07-12-2011, 05:48 PM   #23
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Top 3 list for your current trawler...good AND bad.

Likes---

Sedan style, easy access to rear deck (back porch)

Single engine--Easy to maintain and feed.

Its small and paid for and runs Great!

Dislikes.--

Not much.

*

Would be nice.

Full Europa style with overhangs.

New Teak Decks.

JohnP

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Nice Teak interior is a big plus!


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Old 07-12-2011, 06:58 PM   #24
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RE: Top 3 list for your current trawler...good AND bad.

Interesting that "likes" seem to be split 50/50 on the twin engine issue.

As I said before, I wouldn't mind a stern thruster for manuevering, and twins would be "nice" for long hauls...
Going to have to dig deep into that one I think.

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Old 07-12-2011, 10:16 PM   #25
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RE: Top 3 list for your current trawler...good AND bad.

I really DO love having the single screw set up on our Monk. It has been very satisfying to learn to handle her in various conditions. Now I enjoy having to go to the gas dock to pump out amidst all the pontoon boats and pull her in Capt. Ron style! Seriously- every boater ought to learn how to operate a single screw trawler- it has exponentially improved my boat handling skills. If I could have twins for close quarters and a single for long hauls I'd be good with that.
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Old 07-12-2011, 10:34 PM   #26
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RE: Top 3 list for your current trawler...good AND bad.

As requested*** ....3 and 3.

The most important positive features:

1.*** Economy

2.*** Seaworthiness.

3.*** It's important to me to have things the way I like and want them to be and to have things and systems in close to new condition. Extensive refit DONE.

Would want in my next boat:

1.*** Faster boat or bigger boat.

2.*** Standard dinette high enough to see out all the windows.

3.*** Large dinghy w easy launch.
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Old 07-13-2011, 12:00 AM   #27
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RE: Top 3 list for your current trawler...good AND bad.

Likes:

Economical, effortless, quiet cruise with refit Yanmar and full keel
Space & Storage everywhere (except see below)
Large separate, intimate spaces to enjoy water

Not so likes:
Gennie blocks decent access space to holding tank & head plumbing
Battery watering difficult
Location of AC (to be moved)
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Old 07-14-2011, 05:20 AM   #28
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RE: Top 3 list for your current trawler...good AND bad.

Ok, re Lotus - Pluses/minuses 3 of each....

1. Love the size - big enough to liveaboard, small enough to single hand if need be.
2. Economical and simple single engine.
3. Europa/sedan style, especially now we have enhanced that by adding via frame and canvas, the extended flybridge cockpit and side deck cover as in newer models. (Take note John P, it is not an expensive idea and is the best thing we have done to her.)

Not so pluses...
1. Would prefer the lower maintenance/lower water-damage potential of less timber in construction, which means newer I guess.
2. A bit bigger, say 36 ft, to allow for a true Queen-sized double in the front stateroom instead of Vee-berth. Ok, being honest, 40 ft would be perfect, so could have a second separate stateroom, (eg Clipper 40) having said that tho, must admit it would seldom be used for guests, but lovely extra storage.
3. Hmmm...can't think of a 3 really....
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Old 07-14-2011, 05:47 AM   #29
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RE: Top 3 list for your current trawler...good AND bad.

Pluses

1. The wife loves it. Most of the living space is on the same level. She picked it out.
2. Overhang on the cockpit.
3. Very economical even with twin engines when cruised at 8 - 9 kts.

Minuses

1. Would like a larger cockpit.
2. Island type bed. I get up earlier and have to climb over her, she won't sleep on the inside.
3. More fuel capacity.
4. I think the next boat will be full displacement. This one rolls bad in a side to or quartering sea.
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Old 07-14-2011, 06:53 PM   #30
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RE: Top 3 list for your current trawler...good AND bad.

2003 Mainship 390

Likes:

Stairs to the flybridge; no ladder
wide protected side decks
single engine w/ bow thruster

dislikes:

hull design causes a lot of wave slap when on the hook
generator access is poor
would like a better seating layout on the flybridge

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Old 07-14-2011, 07:55 PM   #31
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RE: Top 3 list for your current trawler...good AND bad.

Likes:
1. Efficient, reliable twin Perkins with simple, reliable easy-to-work-on old school boat systems in an ER that makes for great access to most systems.
2. Appropriately sized for single-handing and our cruising and fishing trips in the SF Bay/CA Delta. Side salon door, double aft salon doors and wide side decks make it easy to move about when single-handing.
3. Two helms. The flybridge provides cool breeze and great views over river levees. The lower helm provides foul weather, sun and wind protectiion.

Dislikes:
1. Accommodations: Would prefer an island bed with a larger stateroom. (Hate the morning 'climb over')
2. Maintenance: Too much exterior wood for ease of maintenance (but I like the look)
3. Access: Would prefer better access to flybridge via steps (vs ladder) and a transom door for better access to cockpit.
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Old 07-15-2011, 04:51 PM   #32
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RE: Top 3 list for your current trawler...good AND bad.

I have to concur with Flywright on all counts.**In fact, you might have to wonder if we don't have similar boats.* (probably exactly the same) *I plan to cure the transom door issue this winter with a sawzall and a bunch of epoxy resin and glass fabric.* The accomodation issue, I'm still thinking about.
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Old 07-16-2011, 02:41 PM   #33
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RE: Top 3 list for your current trawler...good AND bad.

44' Gulfstar MC Trawler...

1. Twin Perkins naturals.
2. 7' Head Room in engine area.
3. Full keel stability
4. 2 Full heads (1 w/bathtub w/shower, 1 w/large shower)
5. Walkaround queen bed.
6. Large Aftdeck....very large.
7. Large V-Berth w/berths for two adults.
8. 450 Gallons fresh water capacity.
9. 500 gallon diesel capacity (1000 mi range)
10. Upper and lower helms. Flybridge helm is large, room for 6 or 7 adults.
11. No veneer in interior. All interior wood is 5/8's Teak Plywood.
12. Large salon.
13. Side decks are wide.
14. Ample storage areas all over boat. No wasted space.
15. Built like a tank...American made.

We've lived on her for almost 4 years now...still as happy with her as the day we bought her!!
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Old 07-16-2011, 04:07 PM   #34
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one more thing...

while I love the twins, I wish I had twin keels for prop protection.


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Old 07-16-2011, 06:39 PM   #35
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RE: Top 3 list for your current trawler...good AND bad.

Ok JAT - here's a challenge. (Think of it as a punishment for skiting = Oz for boasting), as it was supposed to be the top 3 pluses and minuses about your vessel. Now do the hard stuff and whittle it down to the top 3 outa that long list...let's see what your priorities are...
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Old 07-16-2011, 10:56 PM   #36
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Good

- twin maneuvreability

- Defever engine room access

- head room everywhere (6' 7" in heads, galley and at the helm)

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Bad

- twins in the engine room*- outboard access sucks

- all electric - 30 amp just isn't enough with an electric range

- black iron fuel tanks

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Old 07-17-2011, 11:53 AM   #37
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RE: Top 3 list for your current trawler...good AND bad.

Good:

-Lots of living space
-Odor free
-Cheap to run

Bad:

-Engine access
-Not enough time
-Water leaks into 2 upper deck storage compartments
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Old 07-17-2011, 05:41 PM   #38
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RE: Top 3 list for your current trawler...good AND bad.

2000 Mainship 390 Twin Yanmar

Good
1.Perfect size for a couple or single hand
2.Extended flybridge
3.No outside teak

Not so good
1.It's a roller, made worse by hardtop we installed
2.Can't sit up in master stateroom bed without banging forehead
3.Cutout chine makes 2 inch wave sound like sledgehammer hitting boat.
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Old 07-18-2011, 02:56 AM   #39
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RE: Top 3 list for your current trawler...good AND bad.

WE are happy with the limited interior of our conversion as its built for 2 .

50 ft minus 15 ft for good sized aft cockpit and another 5 ft inside for a collision bulkhead means we have a 30 ft interior to play with .

Almost all waking time is spent outside or in the P-H so it is over sized and well suited to all day living .

Opening front and rear windows and side doors p/s make for good ventilation , overhead hatch and powered RV vent take care of rain days.

There is NO engine room per see,, a hatch is lifted to check or change the oil.

I do not wish to cruise in the engine space , so walking around or standing headroom to me is useless.

A 10 ft air draft is a huge bonus inshore , as well as offshore as the second or third story does not cause roll or instability.

Improvements? for sure , I, would like "dutch doors"in the PH for the poor days when we ship too much spray.

Last year I replaced the PH roof for a better shape , this winter the main salon overhead will be replaced and better bronze 6x18 opening ports installed .

The joy of a painted interior (instead of a furniture grade rainforest) is changes are easy and low cost .

The galley and main salon are full function , but any entertaining of large groups is done on the aft deck.

Since purchasing a "perfect" boat is impossible ,
and after a year or two a custom built boat owner will have found new ideas , the concept of purchasing a boat that can be "perfected" might make sense for anyone with a good skill set.
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RE: Top 3 list for your current trawler...good AND bad.

Likes...

1. raised pilothouse with doors on both port and starboard to wide side decks.

2. interior stairs to the flybridge from the pilothouse in addition to the usual ladder in the covered aft cockpit.

3. bow and stern thrusters.

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Dislikes...

1. Black iron fuel tanks - although they still seem to be in pretty good shape.

2. Noisy electric heads - planning to replace.

3. Some damaged teak in the interior from water leaks never repaired by previous owners - learning about veneer repairs!
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