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Old 03-18-2013, 12:45 PM   #1
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A Tid-Bit: NYYC Definition of a Yacht

Quote from another Forum... for interest sake!

The NYYC Definition of a Yacht
Way back in the early 1900s the question of how big a boat had to be in order for the owner to qualify for membership in the New York Yacht Club.

The Commodore came up with the answer "30' or larger". Since the NYYC was the premier yacht club in the nation, all other yacht clubs adopted this definition. Ever since boats in the US larger than 30' are traditionally called yachts.

This question used to be answered in the older versions of Chapman.
Wikopedia says "Yacht lengths generally range from 10 metres (33 ft) up to dozens of metres (hundreds of feet)." This is pretty close to the 30' established by the NYYC in the early 1900s.
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Fun, this is from Wiki:
(of course we could all look this up)


Sailing yachts can range in overall length (Length Over All—LOA) from about 6 metres (20 ft) to well over 30 metres (98 ft), where the distinction between a yacht and a ship becomes blurred. Most privately owned yachts fall in the range of about 7 metres (23 ft)-14 metres (46 ft); the cost of building and keeping a yacht rises quickly as length increases. In the United States, sailors tend to refer to smaller yachts as sailboats, while referring to the general sport of sailing as yachting. Within the limited context of sailboat racing, a yacht is any sailing vessel taking part in a race, regardless of size.
Modern yachts have efficient sail-plans, most notably the Bermuda rig, that allow them to sail towards the wind. This capability is the result of a sail-plan and hull design.


Yacht (pron.: /ˈjɒt/, from Dutch/Low German jacht meaning hunting or hunt, compare Standard German/High German Jagd) was originally defined as a light, fast sailing vessel used by the Dutch navy to pursue pirates and other transgressors around and into the shallow waters of the Low Countries. They were also used for non-military governmental roles such as customs duties and delivering pilots to waiting ships.[1] The latter use attracted the attention of wealthy Dutch merchants who began to build private yachts so they could be taken out to greet their returning ships. Soon wealthy individuals began to use their "jachts" for pleasure trips. By the start of the 17th century "jachts" came in two broad categories—speel-jachts for sport and oorlog-jachts for naval duties.[1] By the middle of the century large "jacht" fleets were found around the Dutch coast and the Dutch states organised large 'reviews' of private and war yachts for special occasions, thus putting in place the groundwork for the modern sport of yachting. Jachts of this period varied greatly in size, from around 12 m (39 ft) in length to being equal to the lower classes of the ship of the line.[2] All had a form of fore/aft gaff rig with a flat bottom and lee boards to allow operations in shallow waters. The gaff rig remained the principal rig found on small European yachts for centuries until giving way to the "Bermudan sloop" rig in the 1960s.
Charles II of England spent part of his time in exile during the period of the Commonwealth of England in the Netherlands and became keen on sailing. He returned to England in 1660 aboard a Dutch yacht. During his reign Charles commissioned 24 Royal Yachts on top of the two presented to him by Dutch states on his restoration.[2] As the fashion for yachting spread throughout the English aristocracy, yacht races began to become common. Other rich individuals in Europe built yachts as the sport spread. Yachting therefore became a purely recreational form of sailing with no commercial or military function (see, for example, the Cox & King yachts at the beginning of the 20th Century), which still serves a broad definition of both the sport and of the vessel.


At 35' my Roughwater is a motor yacht or cabin cruiser I presume.
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Old 03-18-2013, 01:24 PM   #3
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In my little brain, I've always owned boats. Those that own BIGGER and NICER than mine own yachts.
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plus I have to say that design and function have a lot to do with it.

I would consider some of the older, finely crafted woodie 28 footers easily a yacht...yet a 33 foot triple outboard fisherman a "boat".....


....of course my post is just one stab at it and I'm sure this thread will get the same ridiculous argument as you have to be well trained to know what what art is or the counter that "I know art when I see it"....
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plus I have to say that design and function have a lot to do with it.

I would consider some of the older, finely crafted woodie 28 footers easily a yacht...yet a 33 foot triple outboard fisherman a "boat".....


....of course my post is just one stab at it and I'm sure this thread will get the same ridiculous argument as you have to be well trained to know what what art is or the counter that "I know art when I see it"....
pn - I agree... but... don't forget "Art" strarted this thread!
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OK...substitute the word "pornography" but PLEASE wait until the "art" critics get in full swing...
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IMO I am not so sure you can ever draw a line in the sand a just say anything over "x" is a yacht. It has more to do with the kind of boat, how you use it, and maybe even the type of hat you wear lol. I'm too humble to use the term regardless of what I have but some might be impressed by it or try to impress using it. Whatever turns your crank I guess.
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IMHO - Beyond dingy/canoe size: "Yacht" doesn't begin to take hold as a true definition of any water born craft (boat) till a “seagoing” craft (boat) reaches into the 70 to 75 foot and above range. Afore reaching that level of "boat-hugeness" I call em all power cruisers/boats or sail boats. I’ve never yet owned what I think of as a “Yacht”! But – I do LOVE and enjoy owning and traveling/hooking out for extended periods with my power boats/cruisers!! As it appears most others on TF do tooooooo!
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I've had many people call my boat a yacht. I just comment to them "no, it's just a boat."

They get my intent.
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Not really a social climber type ... don't think I want to associate with people who call their boats "yachts"
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Down in our part of the world, by custom, yachts are by and large sailing boats. Powered vessels are called a variety of names depending on their size and use. From tinnies, to half cabins, to cabin cruisers, cruisers, coastal cruisers, (our type of vessel), game fishers, etc. Really large powered boats sometimes are called motor yachts, or even super yachts.
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Not really a social climber type ... don't think I want to associate with people who call their boats "yachts"
While boat hunting, an owner said to us, "Only a certain class of people own a yacht like this". We still get a laugh out of that one
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While boat hunting, an owner said to us, "Only a certain class of people own a yacht like this". We still get a laugh out of that one
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Please, do tell... to complete the amusement of your post... what type/size boat was the owner referring to as a YACHT!

When we occasionally show picts of our comfortable, rather dated yet classic and good condition 1977 34' tri-cabin cruiser (inshore and coastal play toy power boat) to those who are not acquainted with marine activities they often compliment us on owning a yacht. Where upon we usually correct their thought pattern and tell them that our toy boat isn't really a yacht... it just might seem that way when it is covers the entire picture.
While on the water or at marina those savvy of marine doings might say things like... "Nice boat!" / "I love classic boats!" / What year is that boat?" / “My folks had a boat similar to that 30 years ago” / “What a cruiser, self contained I guess”... etc...

Seldom if ever do marine savvy persons refer to our Toy-Tolly as YACHT! Thank God!!
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Please, do tell... to complete the amusement of your post... what type/size boat was the owner referring to as a YACHT!
I live in a pretty small town, so I'd better not kiss and tell
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Yachts are only operated by captain and crew wearing captain and seaman outfits.
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Yachts are only operated by captain and crew wearing captain and seaman outfits.
Semen outfits ..... Like in the Woody Allen movie ?
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