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Old 04-28-2013, 10:43 AM   #21
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We'll board the Krogen Tues morning at SW Fla Yachts in North Ft Myers (not Burnt Store) for our 5-night charter. Thanks again for all the good suggestions.

In my previous boating life, under a 45-ft mast, we always tried to avoid thunderstorms. Looks like that will be hard to do in SW Fla next week with 30-50 % chances most days we're there. We plan to anchor out most nights. How do you guys approach unsettled weather while cruising?

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Old 04-28-2013, 11:05 AM   #22
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We'll board the Krogen Tues morning at SW Fla Yachts in North Ft Myers (not Burnt Store) for our 5-night charter. Thanks again for all the good suggestions.

In my previous boating life, under a 45-ft mast, we always tried to avoid thunderstorms. Looks like that will be hard to do in SW Fla next week with 30-50 % chances most days we're there. We plan to anchor out most nights. How do you guys approach unsettled weather while cruising?

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Just find the most sheltered anchorage you can get into. Set you anchor solidly. When the main wind force hits, I will start my engines. Many times the wind will clock around, and move you 180 degrees. Check the anchor to see that it reset properly.

With the draft of a Krogen if you are underway in a channel, you will have little chance for maneuvering. Too much shallow water. You will just have to crab or whatever to stay in the channel. Most of the time the storms will occur in the afternoon. I just try to be at anchor between 2 and 3 pm. That's the way I like to cruise anyway.
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Exactly what I was looking for, Don. Thanks.
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You're not likely to catch many strong thunderstorms on the west coast of FL this time of year. Our rainy season and subsequent T storms doesn't start until mid June.

Be careful navigating the ICW because it is easy to drift out of the marked channels and it is very shallow around here.

Don't miss Pelican Bay, but research how to get in. Also don't miss the town of Boca Grande on Gaspirilla Island, but again research how to get into the hurricane hole anchorage.

You've picked the best cruising area in FL, in my opinion, enjoy!
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You're not likely to catch many strong thunderstorms on the west coast of FL this time of year. Our rainy season and subsequent T storms doesn't start until mid June.

Be careful navigating the ICW because it is easy to drift out of the marked channels and it is very shallow around here.

Don't miss Pelican Bay, but research how to get in. Also don't miss the town of Boca Grande on Gaspirilla Island, but again research how to get into the hurricane hole anchorage.

You've picked the best cruising area in FL, in my opinion, enjoy!
I agree with Timjet--this is the best cruising in Fl. We live in Cape Coral and have cruised here for 15 years. Pelican Bay is far and away our favorite place. As others have said, just watch going in. Depth shouldn't be a problem in a KK. Many area sailboat clubs cruise there all the time.

As for weather, this time of year storms aren't too bad. We don't get the big thunderstorms until July and August.

Enjoy your visit and happy cruising.
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Old 04-28-2013, 06:32 PM   #26
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Since you are getting the boat in Ft Myers....and will be taking the Caloosahatchie River out toward the Gulf and the GICW....get the people to show you on the charts where the "Miserable Mile" is. Its not bad at a slack tide...but a flood or an ebb can make things interesting.... Channel is a bit narrow...and the current crosses it at about 90 degrees...so its strong on your beam. As long as you are prepared for it...no problem. Its getting caught off guard that is a problem.

After you motor down the Caloosahatchie...on the south end of Pine Island... there is a very good anchorage...if the wind is from the north....but not the south. The anchorage at Useppa is good also...especially when the wind is out of the east.

If you leave the GICW....watch the charts for depths...Charlotte Harbor has some significant oyster beds....but there is plenty of water to roam around in.

If you go all the way up the harbor...to Punta Gorda proper...they have done a lot there since Charlie forced some urban renewal... and there are a number of good restaurants within walking distance of both Fisherman's Village and the Marina on the east side of the US41 bridges.

If in the off chance a bad weather system shows up...Burnt Store Marina is a good hole to hide in...425 slip marina and there is a restaurant there. Best bet if the weather is bad and the wind out of the west...ask for a slip in the noirth basin. Our boat went through Charlie there with no damage.
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IF you are chugging the Callosahatchie , this week, give a call I have an empty dock .

About a mile past the Ortona Lock heading east

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Since Angus99 only has the boat for 5 days I would recommend he skip the Okeechobee waterway and concentrate on the area between Charlotte Harbor and Sanibel Is. Though the waterway has it's own charm and is not to be missed, time I think is better spent closer to home base.

Angus99 is picking up the boat this morning. When you have a chance update us on your experiences. I'll be monitoring.
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Hey, guys. Got underway yesterday about 3 p.m. Took it slow as we got used to the boat and electronics. Spent the night at Glover Bight near Cattle Dock Point. Despite a few condos, it's very nice. Love the Krogen, although one without an island queen may never pass muster with the Admiral. We had reserved a slip at Sansibel tonight, where we hope to try Grandma Dot's. My wife's an alpha sheller, so we'll probably spend some time on the front beach today, although some weather may be moving in. Tomorrow, possibly Cayo Costa.

FF, thanks a ton. We may give you a call when the rest of this short week is clearer. Playing it by ear for now. Thanks again to all who offered guidance. This is a gorgeous cruising area.
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We're anchored in Pelican Bay after a slow cruise up from Sanibel in the rain. I trolled a couple of lines behind us and picked up a nice Spanish (supper) and small Jack Crevalle (released). It's really nice here--several other boats, but not a crowd, and no problems getting in. As soon as the thunderstorm chances taper off we're going to see if we can take the dingy around the point of the island for some exploring. I could get used to this.
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We're anchored in Pelican Bay after a slow cruise up from Sanibel in the rain. I trolled a couple of lines behind us and picked up a nice Spanish (supper) and small Jack Crevalle (released). It's really nice here--several other boats, but not a crowd, and no problems getting in. As soon as the thunderstorm chances taper off we're going to see if we can take the dingy around the point of the island for some exploring. I could get used to this.
Glad you are enjoying Pelican Bay. You can dinghy to the state dock and walk across the island less than a mile to the Gulf of Mexico. It's a great beach only accessible by water. The park has a $2/person fee, which in my opinion is a bargain. The park is operated only with fee income. Also, there are some hiking trails .

If you take the dinghy just south of the state dock, there is a little cove that you can go into...you may see manatees in there. Go slow and watch for the manatees to surface. We usually cut the engine and paddle around in the cove so we don't hit one.

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Thanks, Gina. Haven't seen any manatees in the bay yet, but we saw several feeding (along with some dolphins) off our stern in the Sanibel Marina this morning.

Today the weather cleared and we took the dinghy around the north end of Cayo Costa to the front beach for some shelling and non-productive fishing. In the channel between the islands, a large shark went gliding by us about 12-ft from the dinghy. My wife and I try to be conservative about things like this, but there's no way that thing was any shorter than the 9 foot inflatable we were in. Lots of goose bumps, but a glorious afternoon.
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How was the entrance channel going into Sanibel Marina and Grandmas Dot's? It had shoaled so badly that we just about had to kiss the seawall going in. But the lunch was worth it.

You are in one of my favorite places. Will you get to Boca Grande. If you anchor there let me know. I will tell you how you may be able to land a dinghy.

If you go into Boca Grande Marina. Ask for slip 3,4,or 5. If not try the face dock. You do not want to back up to the seawall with no finger pier.

Have a great cruise.
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How was the entrance channel going into Sanibel Marina and Grandmas Dot's? It had shoaled so badly that we just about had to kiss the seawall going in. But the lunch was worth it.

You are in one of my favorite places. Will you get to Boca Grande. If you anchor there let me know. I will tell you how you may be able to land a dinghy.

If you go into Boca Grande Marina. Ask for slip 3,4,or 5. If not try the face dock. You do not want to back up to the seawall with no finger pier.

Have a great cruise.
Thanks, Don. Don't think we'll be getting that far north today. I have an early flight out Sunday, so we need to be back in Ft Myers and buttoned down tomorrow afternoon. Still a lot we'd like to see on the way back.
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I have the book "Over Florida" and enjoy it once and a while. I kept clicking on this thread to see beautiful pics of Florida.

THANK YOU THANK YOU timjet for finally posting pics and great pics at that. With all the heat, bugs and other critters including humans I'm not too eager to go to Florida again but I love seeing the pics. Thanks timjet.
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How was the entrance channel going into Sanibel Marina and Grandmas Dot's? It had shoaled so badly that we just about had to kiss the seawall going in. But the lunch was worth it.
The entrance was tight--very shallow on port. I noticed it in time to move toward the sea wall. The shoal seems to be a popular spot for manatees, so maybe that's why it hasn't been dredged. Tight maneuvering all around in there, especially with a weak bow thruster. But, as you say, Grandma Dot's is worth it--great food.

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Sorry to keep you hanging on, Eric. The better shots are on a camera we have no way to download here. In the meantime, these are the most "beautiful" Florida pics we can dig up.



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Summarizing

We ended up spending 2 nights in Pelican Bay, rented bikes and did a lot of exploring, shelling and fishing. A wonderful place.

Random things I learned or had reinforced on this trip:
  • Day-dreaming about cruising is different from the realities of cruising. I actually enjoy boat maintenance, but somehow I didn't factor enough maintenance and logistics into my day-dreams. Lots more time spent here than watching sunsets, but it's all still good.
  • Handling a heavier displacement boat like a Krogen is different than a sailboat that will turn in its own waterline. More specifically: making a 180 in a 42-foot single screw with an underpowered bow-thruster, full-length keel and enormous windage in a canal with 90-feet of water between docks on either side and a viscous, howling wind pushing you is not fun. I missed the first approach to our slip during a brief lull (which I never should have attempted from upwind anyway), got caught sideways and had a hell of a time getting the bow to turn upwind. My wife kept calling out the room we had astern, which allowed me to get the nose around into the wind on our third try. From that point it was easy, but definitely some white knuckles getting there. (Some of the locals wandered over from the bars after we tied up and said they were taking bets on whether we'd make it in.)
  • In that vein, teamwork makes everything easier. This I already knew from our years of boating together, but it was especially true on a boat and in cruising grounds we weren't familiar with. I'm blessed with a wife who is gung-ho and capable. (Think I'll keep her.)
  • There are some big frickin' sharks in Florida.
  • Krogen 42s are great boats, but maintenance--as so many of you have said--is everything in a boat built 25 years ago. This one was well-equipped, but probably neglected at some point in her life. Mostly pumps and non-safety items that were aged out or just not maintained along with some terrible roof leaks and soft-spots in the foredeck that I'm sure the new owner will address. If she were mine, I'd also consider a 24-volt bow thruster and a rear-view camera. if we ever buy one, we'll probably hold out for an island queen.

Final score: we ran about 80 mies over 4 days; nobody hurt; never touched bottom and got a great introduction to the "cruising lifestyle." And we liked it. While being live-aboards is not in our future, extended cruising has major appeal for both of us. We'll continue to learn all we can, experience different boats and hopefully spend a lot of our retirement years doing this.

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Congratulations on your successful trip. Enjoyed the pictures. Pelican Bay gets our vote as a favorite place to hang out. KK 42s are amazing boats, of course, I'm a little prejudiced!

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Thanks for letting us tag along. It really is a great cruising area. Short distances, sheltered waters, good destinations----it's hard to ask for better. I vote for the Pine Island Sound area over the Keys. They are both nice, but the more relaxing cruising puts it over. The Keys have prettier water though, so have to get down there now and then also.

Glad your trip was successful.
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