Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
 
Old 05-29-2015, 04:43 PM   #1
Guru
 
N4712's Avatar
 
City: South FL
Country: U.S.A
Vessel Name: Oliver
Vessel Model: Nordhavn 47 Hull# 12
Join Date: Apr 2013
Posts: 3,613
Thick!

Putting Rod holders and a VHF in the trusty T/T Oliver and cut the holes and was damned surprised how thick the gunnels and console were. No wonder she's so slow even with the max rated hp that she has. Looks like it should out live me.
Click image for larger version

Name:	ImageUploadedByTrawler Forum1432932190.566293.jpg
Views:	133
Size:	32.1 KB
ID:	40575Click image for larger version

Name:	ImageUploadedByTrawler Forum1432932202.013071.jpg
Views:	118
Size:	30.3 KB
ID:	40576
__________________
Advertisement

__________________
Thanks, Oliver
M/V Oliver
Nordhavn 47 Hull #12
N4712 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-29-2015, 05:07 PM   #2
Guru
 
djmarchand's Avatar
 
City: East Greenwich, RI
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Bella
Vessel Model: Mainship Pilot 34
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 2,878
Rod holders on a Nordhavn?

Seriously I can't see the core/laminate interface on the round hole but the VHF cutout is clear. That glass is twice as thick as what I have seen on other boats in the same area.

David
__________________

djmarchand is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-29-2015, 05:10 PM   #3
Guru
 
Wayfarer's Avatar
 
City: Oneida Lake, NY
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Radio Flyer
Vessel Model: Wilderness Systems Aspire 105
Join Date: Aug 2014
Posts: 784
Thick!

Your console is thicker than my hull...
__________________
Dave
Just be nice to each other, dammit.
Wayfarer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-29-2015, 05:10 PM   #4
Guru
 
N4712's Avatar
 
City: South FL
Country: U.S.A
Vessel Name: Oliver
Vessel Model: Nordhavn 47 Hull# 12
Join Date: Apr 2013
Posts: 3,613
Quote:
Originally Posted by djmarchand View Post
Rod holders on a Nordhavn?

Seriously I can't see the core/laminate interface on the round hole but the VHF cutout is clear. That glass is twice as thick as what I have seen on other boats in the same area.

David

No this on the Tender to the big boat. The center console we tow.
__________________
Thanks, Oliver
M/V Oliver
Nordhavn 47 Hull #12
N4712 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-29-2015, 05:11 PM   #5
Guru
 
N4712's Avatar
 
City: South FL
Country: U.S.A
Vessel Name: Oliver
Vessel Model: Nordhavn 47 Hull# 12
Join Date: Apr 2013
Posts: 3,613
Should have just said Tender to vice T/T
__________________
Thanks, Oliver
M/V Oliver
Nordhavn 47 Hull #12
N4712 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-29-2015, 05:40 PM   #6
Guru
 
BandB's Avatar
 
City: Fort Lauderdale
Country: USA
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 13,146
Quote:
Originally Posted by N4712 View Post
Putting Rod holders and a VHF in the trusty T/T Oliver and cut the holes and was damned surprised how thick the gunnels and console were. No wonder she's so slow even with the max rated hp that she has. Looks like it should out live me.
]
Absolutely. The reason Whalers really need one engine size beyond their rating but that's just not advisable from a liability point. Definitely not flimsy. You should save that cutout so if you ever decide to sell it, you can dazzle someone by showing the construction. I'm glad Whalers haven't deserted what they are. They could build lighter or faster or anything, but then it just wouldn't be a Whaler.
BandB is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-29-2015, 05:50 PM   #7
Guru
 
N4712's Avatar
 
City: South FL
Country: U.S.A
Vessel Name: Oliver
Vessel Model: Nordhavn 47 Hull# 12
Join Date: Apr 2013
Posts: 3,613
This is actually a dusky. Locally built here in Dania.
__________________
Thanks, Oliver
M/V Oliver
Nordhavn 47 Hull #12
N4712 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-29-2015, 07:14 PM   #8
Guru
 
N4712's Avatar
 
City: South FL
Country: U.S.A
Vessel Name: Oliver
Vessel Model: Nordhavn 47 Hull# 12
Join Date: Apr 2013
Posts: 3,613
Here's thee official measurements, will put these into the archives along with the cutouts.
Click image for larger version

Name:	ImageUploadedByTrawler Forum1432941250.071988.jpg
Views:	150
Size:	30.3 KB
ID:	40578
Click image for larger version

Name:	ImageUploadedByTrawler Forum1432941269.535391.jpg
Views:	133
Size:	30.3 KB
ID:	40579
__________________
Thanks, Oliver
M/V Oliver
Nordhavn 47 Hull #12
N4712 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-29-2015, 07:34 PM   #9
Guru
 
BandB's Avatar
 
City: Fort Lauderdale
Country: USA
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 13,146
Didn't know it was a Dusky. Well, whatever it is, it's thick.
BandB is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-29-2015, 07:38 PM   #10
Guru
 
N4712's Avatar
 
City: South FL
Country: U.S.A
Vessel Name: Oliver
Vessel Model: Nordhavn 47 Hull# 12
Join Date: Apr 2013
Posts: 3,613
Quote:
Originally Posted by BandB View Post
Didn't know it was a Dusky. Well, whatever it is, it's thick.

Yep, you know about them right? The only problem I have is that the gel-coat is slightly to thick in places and where's its thick its spider cracks a little.
__________________
Thanks, Oliver
M/V Oliver
Nordhavn 47 Hull #12
N4712 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-29-2015, 08:15 PM   #11
Guru
 
BandB's Avatar
 
City: Fort Lauderdale
Country: USA
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 13,146
Quote:
Originally Posted by N4712 View Post
Yep, you know about them right? The only problem I have is that the gel-coat is slightly to thick in places and where's its thick its spider cracks a little.
Had heard of them and know where they're located, don't know that I've seen any in use but they have a very large offering. Probably have seen some around and just not known.
BandB is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-29-2015, 08:40 PM   #12
Enigma
 
RT Firefly's Avatar
 
City: Slicker?
Country: Bumpkin?
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 9,996
THICK...as a brick.

__________________
RTF
RT Firefly is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 05-29-2015, 08:43 PM   #13
Guru
 
twistedtree's Avatar
 
City: Gloucester, MA
Country: USA
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 3,188
The Nordhavn fly bridge console, by the way, is 2" thick. That's thicker than the hull on my old Grand Banks. It's no wonder the boat weighs 140,000 lbs.
__________________
www.MVTanglewood.com
twistedtree is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 05-29-2015, 11:21 PM   #14
Guru
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Posts: 1,291
Heavy and thick are not necessarily indicators of good construction. Light and well engineered is usually far better for any conveyance that needs to move under some source of power. The thickness of a plug as an isolated example of construction is meaningless other than as an insight into the building material and how laid up. A heavy boat may have some advantages in comfort but it is not necessarily stronger than a well built and engineered light boat. To build a big Nordhaven or its tender light and strong would probably double the price.
eyschulman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-29-2015, 11:49 PM   #15
Guru
 
HopCar's Avatar


 
City: Miami Florida
Vessel Name: Possum
Vessel Model: Ellis 28
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 3,505
Dusky had a rough start. I remember seeing a Dusky with stringers broken loose from the hull back in the early seventies. They've come a long way and seem to be pretty good boats now.

They sponsor a local fishing guide called Bouncer Smith. I've fished with him. He works his Dusky hard and it doesn't break.

If you want to fish out of Miami, try to get a charter with Bouncer. He is a really nice guy and will put you on fish.
__________________
Parks Masterson
www.hopkins-carter.com
HopCar is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-29-2015, 11:59 PM   #16
Guru
 
BandB's Avatar
 
City: Fort Lauderdale
Country: USA
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 13,146
Quote:
Originally Posted by eyschulman View Post
Heavy and thick are not necessarily indicators of good construction. Light and well engineered is usually far better for any conveyance that needs to move under some source of power. The thickness of a plug as an isolated example of construction is meaningless other than as an insight into the building material and how laid up. A heavy boat may have some advantages in comfort but it is not necessarily stronger than a well built and engineered light boat. To build a big Nordhaven or its tender light and strong would probably double the price.
To build a Nordhavn light and strong you'd lose some of the abilities as far as crossing oceans and being comfortable rough water boats. Each type boat has and needs different characteristics. I would not say heavy and thick is good in a boat like the Dusky. Fountains you want light and strong and you'll spend more to do that. Sportfishing boats light and strong and also many do a great job in rough waters at good speed. But they don't have the range of a Nordhavn, nor do they do especially well at displacement speeds.

I don't think Oliver was presenting the Dusky as being some great boat, simply commenting on the thickness and on the fact it's a bit heavy and sluggish. Certainly the plug doesn't define the overall quality.
BandB is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-30-2015, 12:29 AM   #17
Guru
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Posts: 1,291
Band B not my idea but the light long and skinny versions of ocean hoppers being developed and tested are targeted at outdoing the NH and its close cousins. The goal is to achieve greater speed for less fuel and with proper weight distribution and stabilization greater comfort in half the passage time. The lessons learned in other industries will and are creeping into boat engineering and construction. Sail boats because of their use in open water and transoceanic racing have led the industry and power boats are following. There will always be a place for the old school boats but it will not be first across the finish line nor necessarily the strongest built or most comfortable. My point regarding plug thickness comes down to thick construction is often old school mentality.
eyschulman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-30-2015, 01:51 AM   #18
Guru
 
Wayfarer's Avatar
 
City: Oneida Lake, NY
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Radio Flyer
Vessel Model: Wilderness Systems Aspire 105
Join Date: Aug 2014
Posts: 784
I think more than just about any other craft I've been aboard, those Nordhavns feel super solid. Every one I've been on felt like being in a bank vault inside a cathedral. It felt more sturdy than some ships I've been on. Feels good, man.
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	Heavy.jpg
Views:	65
Size:	29.3 KB
ID:	40586  
__________________
Dave
Just be nice to each other, dammit.
Wayfarer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-30-2015, 06:49 AM   #19
FF
Guru
 
FF's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 16,524
In the photo the glass would seem to be 1/4 thick on either side of the core.

So its 1/2in total of glass.

Thats about right , the core adds stiffness not much strength .

GRP is easily strong enough , the hard part is to be stiff enough , and a 3/4 inch core adds plenty of stiffness.

This use of 1/4 glass ,3/4 foam and 1/4 glass would be the normal requirement for an offshore boat .
The layup is costly and expensive (depending on the foam) and is one method of having blue water scantlings , and one reason an offshore boat costs 300% more .
FF is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 05-30-2015, 07:18 AM   #20
Senior Member
 
Keysdisease's Avatar
 
City: South Florida
Country: USA
Join Date: Sep 2014
Posts: 460
Quote:
Originally Posted by eyschulman View Post
The thickness of a plug as an isolated example of construction is meaningless other than as an insight into the building material and how laid up.
Far from meaningless when selling a boat. An excellent tool for use on the starry eyed future owner.

__________________

Keysdisease is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off





All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:14 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0
Copyright 2006 - 2012