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Old 08-07-2015, 04:43 PM   #41
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I guess down here we aren't as anal or quick to screw everyone out of just a few more bucks.

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It's not screwing anyone out of anything. It's treating all boats of the same total length the same. The entire length requires space. I wouldn't have expected you to have trouble on the one that was slightly over, but I assure you that if you told them 36' on your Carver in South Florida, most marinas would instantly know better. Most of the time in a slip, it's going to be the slip length that prevails, however, as it will be greater.
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Old 08-07-2015, 04:45 PM   #42
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Yes. Unbelievable amount of floor/deck space for a boat only five feet longer than mine. Surely the 35' length you stated does not include the bow pulpit. But it dosn't apear detachable.

I really should have gotten a Willard Voyager instead of the Nomad. Really like the Nomad though and ideally it would be extended on the port side to the rail. Wide body on one side. Would make my salon huge compared to the way it is now.
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Old 08-07-2015, 04:51 PM   #43
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It's not screwing anyone out of anything. It's treating all boats of the same total length the same. The entire length requires space. I wouldn't have expected you to have trouble on the one that was slightly over, but I assure you that if you told them 36' on your Carver in South Florida, most marinas would instantly know better. Most of the time in a slip, it's going to be the slip length that prevails, however, as it will be greater.
Boats are treated the same here. People believe what other people say without taking out a tape measure. With that said, most marinas frown on you hanging out of a slip. So, in that regard, I do not rent a 35 foot slip as I would be hanging WAY out. BUT, when I do a bottom job, I get charged for 35 feet. Transient slip....35 feet.....quick haul.....35 feet...etc. If the transient slip I rented was exactly 35 feet, then I would get a bigger one. But usually transient slips are "generic" and usually larger than the exact boat size listed...or at least that is my experience. I am not nearly as well travelled as many of you on here. I generally go to the same places simply because there just aren't that many places to go here. And there are many places that charge a flat fee for transient. The little boats get screwed....the big boats score!!!
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Old 08-07-2015, 05:43 PM   #44
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we aren't as anal or quick to screw everyone out of just a few more bucks.
But that sounds exactly what you are trying to do.. be careful with that "we", Kemosabe!
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Old 08-07-2015, 06:18 PM   #45
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Docking in transit I have 34' x 12'6" Tollycraft; registered size.

Taking permanent slip in marina I want 40' x 14 minimum with both sides floating dock and roof over head.

Currently we have a 40' x 16' covered berth in enough water depth for going out or coming in on most tides. Really big tides at full moons can get some mud churning at dead low.


By "really big tides" in SF Delta I mean 4.5 +/- LOL They usually run from 2.9 to 3.75 feet
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Old 08-07-2015, 06:55 PM   #46
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I love my sundeck. After living on it for 5 months you really come to appreciate the room. More room in our 35' Carver than most other 45' designs. Not bad looking either.
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Old 08-07-2015, 08:10 PM   #47
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Why lie and cheat.

When somebody asks me for the length of my boat I tell them. If it had a 2' swim step and a 2' bow pulpit w an anchor that stuck out 1' I'd say "35' OAL on a 30' hull". Then they can apply the charge and appropriate fee for the services offered.
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Old 08-07-2015, 08:46 PM   #48
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When asked, I usually say 35 feet. Hull is actually 35'8" not counting the pulpit and folded-up swim platform.


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Old 08-07-2015, 09:31 PM   #49
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One thing I forgot to mention about my experience with a sundeck is that age and fitness plays into whether a sundeck will be a good choice.

Access can be a little more difficult and my parents who are in their late 70's find the climb onto the boat more of a challenge then I do. If a person is considering a sundeck for the long term that might be a factor to work into the calculation. Will you want to deal with the access issues as time goes on? A sedan with a transom gate would be much easier to board for my parents and in-laws, so that might play into the next boat we get.

Ditto here! The sundeck is great for living/ entertaining space- but man the stairs can wear your knees out. I still love all the real estate though.


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Old 08-07-2015, 11:17 PM   #50
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Mine is labelled as a 2870. I tell people it's 29'. I think with the pulpit I'm about 31'. Nobody has threatened to measure me yet.

I'm not sure why, but the previous owner thought It would be funny to put the badges from a 3070 on the side. I've been thinking about taking them off, but haven't yet.
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I find all this measuring to the nearest inch for berth fees rather quaint actually. Over here in Aus, the usual approach appears to be along the lines of ok. How long a berth does your boat need to not stick out too much..? They are usually built in multiples of metres, so most marinas have a number of 9m berths, a lot of 11 and 12m berths, then a number of longer ones 14m plus. Whatever is the smallest berth your boat will fit, without protruding enough to matter, then that's what you pay for. My boat is 10.36m officially, I own an 11m berth. Not rocket science really. After all, surely the fair way to calculate cost is what amount of marina real estate a boat is going to take up..? If a boat is on a longer berth then it strictly needs, you can't use the remaining few feet (metres) it is not using. The water and power consumed will usually not vary that much anyway.
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In our harbot the port charges for the length of the slip (unless it's an end tie) and the footprint of the boat using some forumula that's a mystery to everybody.

In our case, when they replaced our old dock with its 40' slips with a new dock with 45' slips we elected to pay more per month for the 45' slip rather than move to a 40' slip somewhere else in the harbor. We like where we are and it's worth the extra cost to stay there.

While the port has no problem with our keeping our boat in a slip thats longer than it is, this means they can't put a 45' boat in it. So the reasoning is that if we want to keep our smaller boat in a larger slip, we can but we have to pay the rate for the larger slip.

Seems fair to us, given the waiting list time for slips in this particular harbor. There are plenty of boats on the waiting list for a 45' slip and we're preventing one of them from having one.
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I find all this measuring to the nearest inch for berth fees rather quaint actually. Over here in Aus, the usual approach appears to be along the lines of ok. How long a berth does your boat need to not stick out too much..? They are usually built in multiples of metres, so most marinas have a number of 9m berths, a lot of 11 and 12m berths, then a number of longer ones 14m plus. Whatever is the smallest berth your boat will fit, without protruding enough to matter, then that's what you pay for. My boat is 10.36m officially, I own an 11m berth. Not rocket science really. After all, surely the fair way to calculate cost is what amount of marina real estate a boat is going to take up..? If a boat is on a longer berth then it strictly needs, you can't use the remaining few feet (metres) it is not using. The water and power consumed will usually not vary that much anyway.
The measuring is often taking place on transient boats which often are docked in slips that may or may not be appropriate for their size or side tie's.

Standard dock leases in the US read "the greater of the slip length or the LOA of the boat including pulpit and platform". So basically it's the slip length as you describe, but if you extend beyond it, you are charged for the extra.
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So basically it's the slip length as you describe, but if you extend beyond it, you are charged for the extra.
So, how is that justifiable? What extra expense has been incurred by a marina for a boat that extends a few feet beyond the end of a slip (or that fills a slip) that a smaller boat easily could fit in? It's the same slip, why not charge a flat fee for it like the Aussie's sensibly do?

I do see some of the pricing practices as gouging boaters, including on haulouts. What additional lift capacity is needed to justify paying the per foot rate for swim platforms and bow pulpits? Maybe if you're in a crowded marina where space is at a premium for long term storage it can be justified, but for a short haul, it's just a money grab IMO.

All of this may be trivial dollars in the long run, but it furthers the feeling that boaters' wallets are fair game and ripe for plucking. It makes me greatly appreciate marinas that don't follow those practices.

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Quote "Boats are treated the same here. People believe what other people say without taking out a tape measure. With that said, most marinas frown on you........." Wow, you expect people to believe what you say? I have a Trunk cabin, called a 37' but add in the anchor pulpit and dingy hanging on large stern davit well in the mid 40's.... Boat document reports 36.5 So I guess I'm a 36' paying for a slip and in the mid 40's at Happy Hour.....
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In our harbot the port charges for the length of the slip (unless it's an end tie) and the footprint of the boat using some forumula that's a mystery to everybody.

In our case, when they replaced our old dock with its 40' slips with a new dock with 45' slips we elected to pay more per month for the 45' slip rather than move to a 40' slip somewhere else in the harbor. We like where we are and it's worth the extra cost to stay there.

While the port has no problem with our keeping our boat in a slip thats longer than it is, this means they can't put a 45' boat in it. So the reasoning is that if we want to keep our smaller boat in a larger slip, we can but we have to pay the rate for the larger slip.

Seems fair to us, given the waiting list time for slips in this particular harbor. There are plenty of boats on the waiting list for a 45' slip and we're preventing one of them from having one.
The rule in our marina is no over hanging the dock and no sticking out into the fairway. You pay for slip length. We are in a 50 ft slip. With the bowsprit & anchor at the bow and dinghy on the stern we are at around 48 feet total. This for a 41 foot deck length. The marina doesn't measure, they just look down the docks to see if anyone is sticking over.., We are Very happy to pay the city for the great marina, clean facilities and security they provide.
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Find the width of the berth often more limiting than its length.
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My Present 42 is living in a 30 ft slip. We have forward mid-ship cletes so no worries! Only one boat on the pier is shorter than her slip!
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34' deck length, 12'6" beam / 1'6" bow anchor sprit, 2' +/- swim step = 37'6" OAL.


40' long 16' wide berth works out just fine!
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But that sounds exactly what you are trying to do.. be careful with that "we", Kemosabe!
But it says it right there on the side of the boat!!!!
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