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Old 01-27-2016, 09:42 PM   #41
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I'm just thinking about his route here but given the speed of an N55 he is probably looking at quite a few overnights and forced anchor outs between marinas so the dockage might end up less. Then again a few weeks in the high rent district in the Caribbean could make up the difference. Take the kids to Atlantis for a few days at 6.00+ a foot.
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Old 01-27-2016, 10:04 PM   #42
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In terms of the boat for a "Great U" type of trip, how do you reconcile the desirability of a deep draft boat like the N55 on the ocean with the shallow areas of the East Coast ICW and the Caribbean? What is the ideal craft for the trips proposed above? It seems like in those 14 months you will encounter many different types of seas and depths.
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Old 01-27-2016, 11:50 PM   #43
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In terms of the boat for a "Great U" type of trip, how do you reconcile the desirability of a deep draft boat like the N55 on the ocean with the shallow areas of the East Coast ICW and the Caribbean? What is the ideal craft for the trips proposed above? It seems like in those 14 months you will encounter many different types of seas and depths.
You're right about a lot of different situations but with certain limits, it's all manageable. For instance, ICW. With a 55 Nordhavn, you'll do most of your traveling outside and just go inside at each stop. You won't encounter the worst of the shoaling and shallow areas. Same with the Bahamas. There are plenty of boats there with 6'6" drafts. They just anchor and tender to the shallow areas, find the marinas that have depth. We just came through there a week or so ago with a 6'6" draft. The Nordhavn 47 has a 5'11" draft and the Bahamas are Oliver's home away from home. You go to Harbour Island to dock at Romora Bay, you're going to get a local to pilot you in. There are obviously trade-offs between seaworthiness and shallow draft, but there's plenty of the east coast you can enjoy in a Nordhavn 55. Now if you were a 120' steel Brazilian boat with an 11' draft I'd warn you that even the area around Bahia Mar can get close at low tide.

And you asked ideal boat. Well, personally for this trip, I'd rank the seaworthiness as a huge plus and the draft as only a minor minus. I'm not even a Nordhavn fan but find it a good choice for this trip. We've cruised the east coast with shallower draft but also a good bit with the same draft as the 55. Depending on where he's going, he will keep his eye on tides, especially in the areas there is a huge tide swing.
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I have only cruised the PNW but in my opinion, at least in these waters, you will miss much or most of the best parts of the area marina hopping. Being comfortable on the hook would certainly help the budget.

Also, I can say with some authority from someone who was able to cost justify buying a boat in the Bay Area and having it skippered up last year, boats are generally more expensive in the PNW than they are in California. And my web surfing eye tells me they can be more expensive in California than on the East Coast. So reversing the route may knock the depreciation bill down.
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If he's looking for a Nordhavn 55, there really isn't a choice of where on the coast to buy it. There are none in the PNW so obviously will have to be run up.
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Right - that is what I meant. buy one of many in Florida and start your trip there. Finish and sell in the PNW as the only one on the market.
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Old 01-29-2016, 12:17 PM   #47
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Thanks everyone for the feedback- we are, in fact, no looking at non-Nordhavn boats and also some Nordhavns on the east coast. Selling the boat in the PNW does seem like a good idea.

One of the things we like about Nordhavns is their ability to hold their value. We only plan to have the boat for 18 months so we need a boat that we can (somewhat) predictably get out of.

What alternatives to Nordhavn would you all recommend?
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Old 01-29-2016, 12:26 PM   #48
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Thanks everyone for the feedback- we are, in fact, no looking at non-Nordhavn boats and also some Nordhavns on the east coast. Selling the boat in the PNW does seem like a good idea.

One of the things we like about Nordhavns is their ability to hold their value. We only plan to have the boat for 18 months so we need a boat that we can (somewhat) predictably get out of.

What alternatives to Nordhavn would you all recommend?
I can't speak to the resale value but a Krogen is also another great boat in the same class as Nordhavn. The 55 expedition seems like a fine vessel.

I'm biased of course!

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My personal favorite is the 55' Fleming.
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Old 01-29-2016, 01:29 PM   #50
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My favorites in that size range for the type cruising you have in mind would be:

Fleming
Hatteras
KK

However, there are many brands that could do it well.
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[QUOTE=bigpoppop;409411

One of the things we like about Nordhavns is their ability to hold their value. We only plan to have the boat for 18 months so we need a boat that we can (somewhat) predictably get out of.

What alternatives to Nordhavn would you all recommend?[/QUOTE]

Might I suggest a KK or a Selene? We looked for a Nordy for some time, just never found the right one up here in the PNW. We ended up with the Selene as many to choose from. The resale value is in direct proportion to demand at any particular location. We recently viewed a KK 54/55 that arrived here in Portland and it is a very nice boat. And a few docks away is a Selene 55 that is also a very nice boat,it just so happens to be on the market and have been told it will go for a couple 100K less than a comparable Nordy in size.

Best of luck on your search, PM me if you don't have a buyers broker, I can recommend a very good one.
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Thanks everyone.


I need to go and check out a few of these other boats- I have looked at a Selene but have not looked at Fleming or KK.


One thing that the Nordhavns have working in their favor is GREAT headroom- I am 6'8" tall and have a hard time standing up in many of these boats. Anyone know how the others stack up with headroom?
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Thanks everyone.


I need to go and check out a few of these other boats- I have looked at a Selene but have not looked at Fleming or KK.


One thing that the Nordhavns have working in their favor is GREAT headroom- I am 6'8" tall and have a hard time standing up in many of these boats. Anyone know how the others stack up with headroom?
Fleming targets 6'6" and 6'6 1/2" as their minimum headroom, which is problematic. I don't know headroom by area. That's also the minimum for Nordhavn although some have more. Selene's target was 6'6" too. I think you'll find some of all brand that work and some that won't. That's what I've seen and I'm a couple of inches shorter than you, 6'4 1/2" barefoot so an inch or so more with shoes.
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There's a 56' Realship for sale in Seattle right now that has made that trip. Has been meticulously maintained. You can find it on Yacht World. "Steele". It might be worth checking out.
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14 months...lol

Yes your $10k per month would have been close to my numbers, $140k for the trip.
My running costs this past summer were $133/day or little less than $4/nm

I'm cheap and was cruising in an inexpensive area. Avg Marina cost was $27. I anchored out 25% of the time.

Now, with a bigger boat, US marina prices, more fuel use, more marina use, I would multiply those numbers by 2.5 to 3.

= $10k to $12k per month

Good job B & B
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