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Old 07-22-2011, 03:35 PM   #21
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RE: Which Style Trawler?

I put the eyes on as a joke toward the Admiral.* If she would have let me I would have named the boat "Toot" or "Scruffy" I would have.*

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She did not want to hear "Toot, Toot, Toot" on the radio.* Originally she had no patience for peoples jokes about the name,*but since I put the eyes on it she has come around to the humor side.* She has not come around enough to let me rename the boat.
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Old 07-22-2011, 03:46 PM   #22
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John,
I have to say, I think you have my favorite avatar on all of trawlerforum- it must have cost you a fortune to get all those hot air ballons to stage themselves behind your boat for the glamour pictures!!
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Old 07-22-2011, 05:41 PM   #23
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John

We made an offer on a boat today - totally financially irresponsible since our current boat just made it on Yachtworld.com. I think your boat is way too cool for school so let's see if it is in my budget. I will call you tomorrow.
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Old 07-22-2011, 07:43 PM   #24
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I admit liking tuggies.* One of my first memories was following my plastic toy tug boat*along the curb during a heavy rain storm.* Was "condemned" from the start.



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Old 07-22-2011, 08:06 PM   #25
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I admit liking tuggies.* One of my first memories was following my plastic toy tug boat*along the curb during a heavy rain storm.* Was "condemned" from the start.



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*Wow !!!! You actually had a toy tug. I used to use old popsicle sticks I found on the sidewalk. This is the first time I have heard of anyone besides myself following their boat along the curb. The major difference is that we pronounced it 'coib'. There are no 'oz' where I come from.

I completely forgot about all of that. Thanks for the memory.

I used to make pirate ships fron old egg cartons.
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Old 07-22-2011, 09:14 PM   #26
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SO what did you make an offer on Tony? You are certainly not wasting time and I can only assume your haste in this matter is due to the stellar job of providing you a lightening quick education on all things trawlers!
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Old 07-23-2011, 05:06 AM   #27
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I made an offer on a 1986 40' CT. I made what may appear to be a rediculous offer but my offer was based on what it is worth to me and not what it is worth on the open market. The seller has been constantly dropping his price. I told the broker to tell the seller to not bother making an counter offer cause I wouldn't be interested in it for a dime more. All bets are off after Monday. So lets see what happens.
The Hull looks OK. We fired it up and put it in gear and the engine and drive train seem OK. The main deck has teak so I will depend on a surveyor to be able to see it there is any issues there because I dont have a moisture meter. The upper deck is rough lookin. He put in a roof mounted AC unit and he cut through the roof beams. This appears to have weakened the roof/upper deck because he glassed in a sheet of plywood onto the upper deck in an attempt to stiffen it up. Inside he attached a steel channel iron across the roofline under one of the beams to stiffen it up. Even at best, this is all sloppy work. His neighbors told me that the boat does go out from time to time.
The interior is very nasty. For a 1986 model, this boat looks really rough. The varnish looks like it was applied with a trowel - major stripping job here. There is also a floor model AC unit in the aft stateroom with 4" insulated hose atached. I suspect the old underwear on the floor stays with the boat.
There is a regular house type refrige on the boat - looks fairly new but I was afraid to open. It will have to go also.
Oh yeah, the cabin exterior was painted a while back with what appears to be house paint. You can see where it is chipping.
I believe his listing started at $49K and he gradully started dropping the price down. The current price is $24K. I offered $19K. By the time this boat gets cleaned up, repaired and new 12V appliances added it will see at least another $20 to $25K and that is with me doing all of the work. The big advantage would be is that everything would be new.
I have a Port Supply account and am also an authorized dealer for Mermaid Air Conditioners.
Anyway, this could be a good opportunity. If however, he declines my offer, my feeling would not be hurt. After all, I haven't sold my sailboat yet and we are about to enter what I call the Gulf Hurricane Season and 2 boats can be a nightmare.
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Old 07-23-2011, 05:22 AM   #28
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.......*You are certainly not wasting time and I can only assume your haste in this matter is due to the stellar job of providing you a lightening quick education on all things trawlers!
*Fair assumption and thanks to all for the help.

I have learned that I will probably get about 2.5NM / Gal. Nailing that figure down is crucial in planning. With a 6 to 8,000 mile trip, the bucks add up. Also the pros and cons of the different style trawlers confirmed what I have also thought about. I am not new to boating, but I am new to power boating. A totally different world.

You are also correct in that I waste no time. Never did. That's just the way I roll.

Anyway, the journey into the world of powerboating and trawlering is about to begin.

As a side note - when boat shopping, my main criteria is that regardless of looks, I must be able to sail and motor the boat the day I buy it. It's a lot easier to work on a boat while enjoying it also. Boats are not meant to be tied to docks for long periods. That gets old quick and then the ambition fades.
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Old 07-24-2011, 04:15 AM   #29
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"Nailing that figure down is crucial in planning."

Nailing that figure down is easy , you might not like the speed tho.

A cruising prop might be worth the added expense if you already plan on a spare prop.
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The figure is around 2.5GPH @ 7 knots for a 40. About 6 knots for 36 with a 120HP engine. That's pretty nailed down I would think and I can deal with that kind of mileage. At least now I know what to expect. It's not like I have a choice in the matter. It is what it is.

The only other choice*I would have is to*use my current boat and have the masts removed at certain points and shipped and reinstalled at other places at $1,000 a pop. A trawler would afford us much more room for living and for supplies. It;s a choice we made.*

BTW, what is a cruising prop? And why wouldn't one have been on there by the manufacturer?


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Old 07-24-2011, 06:40 AM   #31
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SO what did you make an offer on Tony? .............
*My offer was turned down and he made a counter offer. I said no and I am not making a counter offer. If he accepted I would not have jumped for joy, it would just have been a good deal, that's all.

I am slowly turning down lots of work in my woodworking business to clear my shop for working on my new old boat when I get one. Besides I need a break. Having 2 full time careers is getting old.
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Old 07-24-2011, 01:09 PM   #32
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So after all the discussion about "style", what was the configuration of the boat you described?
*It was an aft cabin design.

We both like it better for*a few*reasons but are still open to whatever comes along. If we were buying new, it would be a really tough decision. Since we are buying used, we will take whatever comes along first that tickes our fancy. We can make anything work for us.
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Switching to a trawler makes sense.* This was reinforced after watching a 12-14-foot sailing dinghy capsize twice while we were enjoying brunch at HS Lordships in Berkeley today.



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Old 10-05-2011, 08:39 AM   #34
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Hey! I want to know the answer to the prop question. What is a cruising prop and what would the other type(s) be called? How do I know what I have on my boat? Thanks,

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Old 10-05-2011, 09:22 AM   #35
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A cruising prop is just a prop w too much pitch done purposely to decrease fuel consumption. I had never heard of the expression until FF started using it. It works fine if you never run your boat in an overloaded state but you really don't know what speed that begins to occur. The benefit is small and the upper end of your boats performance is eliminated. And overloading results any time you push the rpm too far up the scale and you don't know how far up that is. Engine manufacturers don't recommend it. You should be able to attain the rpm where your engine is rated for power. For example - 2500rpm for a Ford Lehman.
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Thanks Eric. Sounds like I'd be better off just sticking with the prop I have. Just trying to figure out how to*get a little better economy than 5 GPH at 9mph. it has a*260 hp gas Mercuriser with an outdrive as big as a tree trunk. I still love my Tolly though. Thanks again,

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And John, since you are gas powered, an overloaded prop would cause your engine to bog down and detonate/ping....which would be significantly more detrimental to your gas engine as opposed to a diesel engine. AN overloaded diesel would just shorten it's life over a long period of time. A gasoline engine that was continuously overloaded would not last long at all. A modern computerized engine(read car engines here) has things in place to prevent detonation....most boat installations don't...at least not older ones.


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Thanks John. What I do now, according to advice from my mechanic here is get up to speed and then back off untill I don't hear the secondaries on the carburator anymore. This is usually around 2800 rpm. That gets me to about 9 mph per the handheld GPS. Any other tips on treating my boat better are greatly appreciated.

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A cruising prop is just a prop w too much pitch done purposely to decrease fuel consumption. I had never heard of the expression until FF started using it.
*Eric--- I have never heard the term "cruise prop" used in the marine world.* Nobody on the GB owners forum--- even the true gurus-- use this term when props and prop pitch is discussed, even though GBs from the factory were equipped with "cruise props."

"Cruise prop" is an aviation expression as you probably know since you are a pilot.* It is used to describe the attributes of a fixed-pitch propeller.* The alternative to a cruise prop is a "climb prop."*

A cruise prop is as you say, a fixed pitch propeller with a coarser pitch so as to take a bigger bite of air and move the plane faster for a given rpm.* A cruise prop generally will not let the engine achieve maximum rated rpm.* And since horsepower is a function of rpm, a plane with a cruise prop will cruise efficiently but it won't climb very well because the prop will not allow the engine to develop it's maximum horsepower, which is what you need in order to be able to climb fast.

A "climb prop" is just the opposite.* It has a finer pitch and so allows the engine to easily achieve maximum rpm. So a plane with a climb prop takes off and climbs quickly because both these functions are dependent on horsepower which in turn is dependent upon rpm.* But a climb prop requires more rpm to achieve a given cruise speed, which means the plane burns more fuel than it would with a cruise prop.

In aviation, this led to the development of the variable pitch prop which permits the best of both worlds with the same prop.* The variable pitch prop evolved into the constant-speed prop, but the constant-speed simply takes over the pitch adjustment workload from the pilot.

I know you know all this but other readers might not.....


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To put it into car terms, which I will assume we all have, a cruise prop would be like running a car in higher gear...excellent for efficiency but not good for low end performance(bog,detonate,ping). Have you ever heard a car that was in too high of a gear for the demand being put on it....you end up hearing "dieseling" or all that pinging and clattering. No big deal if it is momentary. But if you left it like that for an extended time it would mess stuff up in a hurry. Just like if you have a variable pitch prop on an airplane....if you have a high power setting(high manifold pressure) and low RPM it will cause significant damage in a very short period of time(ie burn pistons).
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