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Old 09-25-2017, 08:41 PM   #41
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I am all for safer waterways....

The acts of stupidity here are not education related...they are brain function related. Some people are just not wired to ask themselves: "What could go wrong here?" You've seen guys show up at meetings without a pen, hikers that don't have a flashlight, people in line at the checkout counter that forgot their wallet, people that try to buy plywood the day of the hurricane, etc.....my favorite is guys who pull their boats up on the beach.....spend all day 50 feet away from their boat....and not realize the tide went out and they are stuck. No amount of education will help these people.
Bing Bing Bing. You got it.

Education might fix ignorance but education can't fix stupid.

I have seen quite a few cases of stupid boating that no amount of education will ever fix.

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Old 09-26-2017, 05:38 AM   #43
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"I have seen quite a few cases of stupid boating that no amount of education will ever fix."

And no number of hoops to jump thru like a buroRat issued license can change that.
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Over here there is a nice little sandy island just outside the harbor, al safaliyah, and the problem there is the hotdogs on jet skis and wave runners cruising past our kids a few meters out.

I stopped going there during rush hour! Since we don't get cloudy days, we tend to go at night and have the entire island and the beautiful downtown skyline all to ourselves.
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"and the problem there is the hotdogs on jet skis and wave runners cruising past our kids a few meters out."

Old polly line in 2ft long, pulled apart to individual strands, left floating near the kiddies soon stops the jet skis.

Having the pump seize and the seals repaired gets expensive in time.
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Old 09-26-2017, 06:50 AM   #46
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Mr. WK. "Are you proposing more government intrusion into our lives? Are you proposing the government requiring boaters to have..." actual boating education?
In this case, I am because of the common good. You can't fly an airplane without training and a license. You can't drive a car or truck without training and a license. Boating is no different, yet a person with absolutely no training is allowed to buy and operate a 900 HP boat capable of inflicting death and destruction upon innocent bystanders.
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Old 09-26-2017, 07:00 AM   #47
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........... The acts of stupidity here are not education related...they are brain function related. Some people are just not wired to ask themselves: "What could go wrong here?" You've seen guys show up at meetings without a pen, hikers that don't have a flashlight, people in line at the checkout counter that forgot their wallet, people that try to buy plywood the day of the hurricane, etc.....my favorite is guys who pull their boats up on the beach.....spend all day 50 feet away from their boat....and not realize the tide went out and they are stuck. No amount of education will help these people.
I believe many of the things you quoted are education related. A person without some sort of boating education is unlikely to know about the tide going out.

Since my marina is adjacent to an "entry level" boat dealer, I get to see first time boaters nearly every day. Boaters who don't understand that driving a boat is not the same as driving a car. Boaters who don't understand that the "road" (water that is flowing with current) is moving and if you stop your boat, it won't be still, it will move with the current. Boaters who don't understand that while a car steers from the front, a boat steers from the rear and when you turn the wheel, the stern will swing out and may hit something.

I see boat wrecks almost every weekend. Minor ones mostly, but boat wrecks just the same.
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Old 09-26-2017, 08:14 AM   #48
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Yesterday got two boat registration sips in mail. Not only has cost more than doubled [from $15 to $35 each]... but now, included in the envelope is a "California Boater Card" info flyer.


Luckily due to my age and decades experience it is a no brainer to easily get. For youngens it takes some learning and passing a test.


IMO it is good to have those previously not knowledgeable about marine doings made to at least get an inkling of instruction about boating


Where we boat there are many ski boats and many high hp. o/b fisher boats... also some really fast "show-off" boats [90 mph. +/-]; those type boats are usually what have jerks as Captains.. Although things go smoothly most of the time there are a few operators who should not be behind the wheel of a boat. Maybe a bit of required instruction will help to make even the reckless more ready for better boat handling.


I'm not into too many boating restrictions, especially those with undue $$ cost. However, I am into boating safety. And, with the last 20 year deluge of little fast boats running around in many places having brain-dead operators... I guess the time for a boat-operators course and license to carry has come.
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Old 09-26-2017, 08:20 AM   #49
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Several decades ago I was part of a flotilla escorting tall ships from around the world into Philadelphia harbor. Right through the middle of this densely packed, highly guarded (for the times) "parade" screams this 30 foot go-fast. Everyone is up in arms. The captain of the 80 something foot USCG cutter tells me to handle it.

I'm not sure who was less informed; the inappropriately operated go-fast or the person who sent an 8 knot trawler after him.
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You would be amazed at how many people in the USCG know so little about "small boating".

Probably similar to how few on here understand large vessel and commercial operations in general.

I think most TFers are smart, like the USCG folks, just no crossover experience.

That USCG skipper probably could do celestial though...
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You would be amazed at how many people in the USCG know so little about "small boating".

Probably similar to how few on here understand large vessel and commercial operations in general.

I think most TFers are smart, like the USCG folks, just no crossover experience.

That USCG skipper probably could do celestial though...
I did slow him down considerably. Speed isn't everything.

Perhaps he did pick the right pursuit boat.
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When a ignorant person flies or wakes thru an anchorage or by a marina we salute him.

Our 12Ga starting cannon with Winchester black powder shell makes a HELL of a bang.

The fool doesn't know if he is being shot AT , so usually goes to idle.

Worth a buck for the blank.
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When a ignorant person flies or wakes thru an anchorage or by a marina we salute him.

Our 12Ga starting cannon with Winchester black powder shell makes a HELL of a bang.

The fool doesn't know if he is being shot AT , so usually goes to idle.

Worth a buck for the blank.
Sounds like fun!
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Sounds like fun!
Art me Irish Bro. Brake out the bagpipes if you ever do it!

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Here, we alternate between hot and cool days in Autumn. Yet boating is year-round here. Avoiding summer holidays keeps one away from most crazies.
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You would be amazed at how many people in the USCG know so little about "small boating"...
At the California Maritime Academy at Vallejo, CA, cadets get experience in small sailboats, fiftiesh-foot-long "trawlers," as well as a several-hundred-foot-long ocean-going vessel.
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When a ignorant person flies or wakes thru an anchorage or by a marina we salute him.

Our 12Ga starting cannon with Winchester black powder shell makes a HELL of a bang.

The fool doesn't know if he is being shot AT , so usually goes to idle.

Worth a buck for the blank.
Have a 10-gauger, but it takes several minutes to set up when unprepared, giving time for a culprit to escape. Its smoke and bang matches starting
cannons for races. Having a very, very loud horn is a quicker alternative.
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At the California Maritime Academy at Vallejo, CA, cadets get experience in small sailboats, fiftiesh-foot-long "trawlers," as well as a several-hundred-foot-long ocean-going vessel.
Some time in a variety of small vessels in an academy experience hardly equates to undetstanding boating snd boaters.
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Some time in a variety of small vessels in an academy experience hardly equates to undetstanding boating snd boaters.
It can't hurt.
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"Have a 10-gauger, but it takes several minutes to set up when unprepared,"

Unprepaired?

Don't you fire a round at sunset before taking down the colors at anchor?
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